Where do they come uo with these...

[JWP]

Last season, I had one coach who was constantly complaining the about the other team "reaching." I told him "no contact, no foul." Two possessions later, my partner calls it, even reporting it to the bench as a "reach." Arrgghh.

After the game, we talked. Partner says that the defense wasn't playing defense "with their feet."

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by JWP

Last season, I had one coach who was constantly complaining the about the other team "reaching." I told him "no contact, no foul." Two possessions later, my partner calls it, even reporting it to the bench as a "reach." Arrgghh.

After the game, we talked. Partner says that the defense wasn't playing defense "with their feet."

*Grrrrr!! hate it when my partner 'cow tows' to these type of calls. It makes me look like I'm too lenient when I do not make such calls (no effect on RSBQ, just defender with quick hands) and it causes the coaches and participants to develop the opinion that we are not "calling it the same on both ends" --which is their predicatable lament.
Whenever my partner ref(s) call 'reach', I pull them aside (during time out or half break or post game) and tell them that it is not a foul. Explaining to them that if you're calling "reaching in" when the that action does not affect RSBQ then you have "nothing" and furthermore, we are not calling the game in a consistent manner. In most cases, the partner responds with "that's what I've been calling for years". It will take a season or two for a ref to dis-embed such a staid mis-conception despite being shown the "light".

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*Grrrrr!! hate it when my partner 'cow tows' to these type of calls. It makes me look like I'm too lenient when I do not make such calls (no effect on RSBQ, just defender with quick hands righ?) and it makes the coaches and participants hold the opinion that we are not "calling it on both ends" which is their predicatable lament. Whenever my partner ref(s) do it, I pull them aside (during time out or half break or post game) and tell them that it is not a foul; explaining to them that if you're calling "reaching in" when the the action does not affect RSBQ then you have "nothing" and furthermore, we are not calling the game in a consistent manner.

I dunno man, yesterday I had a shitty girls game which developed into a string of held balls and elbows trying to clear space after rebounds. The next game my partner and I talked -- and we called a foul EVERY time the girls reached in, whether they got the ball or not. It took a few minutes but their coaches got the idea and they stopped reaching. I'm not saying reaching is a foul, but in an unskilled girls game like that it might as well be.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*Grrrrr!! hate it when my partner 'cow tows' to these type of calls. It makes me look like I'm too lenient when I do not make such calls (no effect on RSBQ, just defender with quick hands) and it causes the coaches and participants to develop the opinion that we are not "calling it the same on both ends" --which is their predicatable lament.
Whenever my partner ref(s) call 'reach', I pull them aside (during time out or half break or post game) and tell them that it is not a foul. Explaining to them that if you're calling "reaching in" when the that action does not affect RSBQ then you have "nothing" and furthermore, we are not calling the game in a consistent manner. In most cases, the partner responds with "that's what I've been calling for years". It will take a season or two for a ref to dis-embed such a staid mis-conception despite being shown the "light".

Your partner, while using incorrect terminology, might actually be right.....I'm trying to figure out what "reaching in" has to do with RSBQ????

In my mind, the two are unrelated. RSBQ is about handchecking/pushing types of contact affecting ball handler's ability to move.

A defender who "reaches in" and smack the dribbler's arm may not affect any of RSBQ but very well could be and often should be a foul.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JWP

Last season, I had one coach who was constantly complaining the about the other team "reaching." I told him "no contact, no foul." Two possessions later, my partner calls it, even reporting it to the bench as a "reach." Arrgghh.

After the game, we talked. Partner says that the defense wasn't playing defense "with their feet."

I would have asked, "You realize if they steal it with their feet you have to call them for kicking, right?"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JWP

Last season, I had one coach who was constantly complaining the about the other team "reaching."

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Reaching in", reported by an official to the table on a foul against a ball handler, is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in, is by itself, nothing. If illegal contact does occur, it’s probably a holding foul, an illegal use of hands foul, or a hand check foul, and these should be reported to the table as such.