Where do they come uo with these...

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

As my partner went over towards the table to report it, Coach B came over and said that since A1's fifth foul was flagrant, not only was he out of the game but he couldn't be replaced and team A would have to finish the game with four players.. . . I have no idea how that coach got that idea into his head. I've never heard anything like it either before or after that game.

Maybe he's also a soccer coach.

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Classic coach thought is the "over the back".

C: He's going over the back thats a foul.
O: Over the back is not a call. Its only a foul if he's pushing.
C: But he's got him boxed out. He can't reach over him.
O: He can if there is no contact.
O: So whats the point in my kid boxing out.
R: Sounds like a coaching decision to me, not my area of expertise.

As a coach and parent, this is one that drives me nuts. The number of low level (below HS) refs who report "over the back" as fouls is shocking. Fro some, it's jus sloppy language where a player went through the opponent, but some are convinced that the player behind can't get the ball -- no wonder parents, players, and coaches get that idea.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Maybe he's also a soccer coach.

Soccer? That's the game for kids who can't use their hands.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Soccer? That's the game for kids who can't use their hands.

Oh?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

... refs who report "over the back" as fouls is shocking.

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Over the back", reported by an official to the table on a rebounding foul, is, in reality, probably a pushing foul. Over the back is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called, and this should be reported to the table as such.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Fro some, it's jus sloppy language...

This made my day.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

As a coach and parent, this is one that drives me nuts. The number of low level (below HS) refs who report "over the back" as fouls is shocking. Fro some, it's jus sloppy language where a player went through the opponent, but some are convinced that the player behind can't get the ball -- no wonder parents, players, and coaches get that idea.

Could be worse... I had an evaluator from the state observe one of my games last season. After the game he came into the locker room to talk to us, and one of his comments (to my partner) was that he missed an "over the back" foul.