IAABO ref schools

[constable]

Are there any advantages to these camps?

How is the ball? The reviews I've heard have been between mixed to negative. They say only NHFS rules and mechanics will be used? Do they mean true NFHS rules and mechanics, or the bastardized ones they publish in their handbook?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by constable

...the bastardized ones they publish in their handbook?

"Thanks for being a fan of IAABO basketball."
-- Tom Lopes"

[RefCT]

I went to two within the first couple years I was officiating. I wouldn't recommend them to people that have been officiating for more than 3 or 4 years. In my experience, some boards and states use them as their training grounds and you could get stuck with partners that take most of the attention of the staff because they are very inexperienced. The on-the-court play was not very good at my camps and the camp director wouldn't do anything to penalize unsporting behavior.

The classroom stuff was great and if you end up with a partner that is beyond the basics, the feedback was good.

If you have been officiating 5 years or more (and are moving up), or are doing higher level JV or any Varsity games, the camp may be too basic for you.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by constable

Are there any advantages to these camps?

How is the ball? The reviews I've heard have been between mixed to negative. They say only NHFS rules and mechanics will be used? Do they mean true NFHS rules and mechanics, or the bastardized ones they publish in their handbook?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

There are no "rule" differences between the two. IAABO uses NFHS rules, period. (Interpretations are perhaps a bit iffy on that, though.)

Mechanics are pretty damned close, so I'm not sure what you're talking about with "bastardized."

[Multiple Sports]

Been an IAABO member for a very long time....I have mixed emotions about IAABO. However the previous post is 100% correct. Many boards use this camp as the first camp for their members sometimes offering scholarships....They will have you bird-dogging and pointing to the spot of where ball is being put in play....

[PG_Ref]

Originally Posted by constable

Are there any advantages to these camps?

How is the ball? The reviews I've heard have been between mixed to negative. They say only NHFS rules and mechanics will be used? Do they mean true NFHS rules and mechanics, or the bastardized ones they publish in their handbook?

Any feedback would be appreciated.

One of the primary differences between IAABO and NFHS is that IAABO prefers officials go opposite the table after calling fouls. And as a matter of fact, starting with this season, IAABO also included tableside mechanics in their manual. So, they now show both.

[crosscountry55]

IAABO needs to change it's name to GQABOCNEO* to more accurately reflect it's current status and mission.

That would be the "Gerentocracy of Questionably Approved Basketball Officials for Colorado, New England and Ontario*."

* = includes a miniscule footprint at overseas military installations to provide the illusion of international status.

[MechanicGuy]

I went once, after my first year. I thought it was worth it.

I don't think I'll go again though.

If you're new to the game, and especially to 3-man, I definitely think the camp has value.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Been an IAABO member for a very long time....I have mixed emotions about IAABO. However the previous post is 100% correct. Many boards use this camp as the first camp for their members sometimes offering scholarships....They will have you bird-dogging and pointing to the spot of where ball is being put in play....

...and this is a bad thing because.....?

[constable]

Originally Posted by Adam

There are no "rule" differences between the two. IAABO uses NFHS rules, period. (Interpretations are perhaps a bit iffy on that, though.)

Mechanics are pretty damned close, so I'm not sure what you're talking about with "bastardized."

You're right. I meant their goofy interpretations.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by constable

You're right. I meant their goofy interpretations.

From the March/April 2015 IAABO Sportorials Magazine:

Rules Questions For The IAABO Interpreter

1) A1 is fouled while in the act of trying for a goal. The try is not successful. A1 is awarded two free throws. The first free throw is successful. Upon the release of A1’s second free throw, B3, located in the free throw lane space nearest the free thrower, enters the free throw lane and then, with his/her foot, breaks the far plane of the free throw line prior to the ball contacting the basket ring, or the backboard. The official rules this action by B3 a violation. Is the official correct?

Answer: Yes. Reference 9-1-3-D (may enter the free throw lane; the free throw semicircle is not part of the free throw lane; the free throw semicircle if “off limits” to all, excepting the free thrower, until the ball contacts the basket ring, or the backboard.)

[Jay R]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From the March/April 2015 IAABO Sportorials Magazine:

Rules Questions For The IAABO Interpreter

1) A1 is fouled while in the act of trying for a goal. The try is not successful. A1 is awarded two free throws. The first free throw is successful. Upon the release of A1’s second free throw, B3, located in the free throw lane space nearest the free thrower, enters the free throw lane and then, with his/her foot, breaks the far plane of the free throw line prior to the ball contacting the basket ring, or the backboard. The official rules this action by B3 a violation. Is the official correct?

Answer: Yes. Reference 9-1-3-D (may enter the free throw lane; the free throw semicircle is not part of the free throw lane; the free throw semicircle if “off limits” to all, excepting the free thrower, until the ball contacts the basket ring, or the backboard.)

Wow. Someone has too much time on their hands to even think of this scenario.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

From the March/April 2015 IAABO Sportorials Magazine:

Rules Questions For The IAABO Interpreter

1) A1 is fouled while in the act of trying for a goal. The try is not successful. A1 is awarded two free throws. The first free throw is successful. Upon the release of A1’s second free throw, B3, located in the free throw lane space nearest the free thrower, enters the free throw lane and then, with his/her foot, breaks the far plane of the free throw line prior to the ball contacting the basket ring, or the backboard. The official rules this action by B3 a violation. Is the official correct?

Answer: Yes. Reference 9-1-3-D (may enter the free throw lane; the free throw semicircle is not part of the free throw lane; the free throw semicircle if “off limits” to all, excepting the free thrower, until the ball contacts the basket ring, or the backboard.)

NFHS
1981 - revised free-throw restrictions to allow leaving marked spaces when ball is released;

1993 - player along lane may not break plane of free-throw line until ball hits backboard;

1997 - restricted movement on free-throw lane until ball touches ring or backboard.

2003 - number of players permitted on the lane during free throws reduced;

2008 - players moved up toward thrower during free throws; new free-throw mark added to designate final marked lane space;

2014 - A player occupying a marked lane space...may enter the lane on the release of the ball by the free throw shooter.

So, one may surmise that the interpretation by IAABO is well founded; and that the absence of that interpretation, by the NFHS, is another case of the NFHS simply removing a statement from their rules, w/o notice, and a lack of attention to their own rules history.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

Been an IAABO member for a very long time....I have mixed emotions about IAABO. However the previous post is 100% correct. Many boards use this camp as the first camp for their members sometimes offering scholarships....They will have you bird-dogging and pointing to the spot of where ball is being put in play....

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

...and this is a bad thing because.....?

Well, it's not. Although I was thinking about this last night. How many times did I remember officials in the NCAA tournament pointing toward the spot. Few to none, now that I think about it.

Makes me wonder if I'm going to get downgraded for pointing at the spot if I go to a try-out camp.

[RefCT]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

If you're new to the game, and especially to 3-man, I definitely think the camp has value.

Be careful with assuming they are three man. When I went, it was 2-man (I went to the one in RI, which is now in MA). To my knowledge, the NJ one is 3-man. Not sure about the others.