Wisconsin vs. Duke - National Championship - Master Thread

[parrot]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What a dumbass.

The game came down to two freshman that made plays. Officiating had nothing to do with this game.

BTW, I was cheering for Wisconsin all the way.

Peace

Yeah, there's no way that two out of bounds calls going the wrong way down the stretch of a 5 point game had any impact on the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by parrot

Yeah, there's no way that two out of bounds calls going the wrong way down the stretch of a 5 point game had any impact on the game.

Are you suggesting that Wisc. should not have even been in the game?

[parrot]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Are you suggesting that Wisc. should not have even been in the game?

No.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by parrot

Yeah, there's no way that two out of bounds calls going the wrong way down the stretch of a 5 point game had any impact on the game.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Are you suggesting that Wisc. should not have even been in the game?

Originally Posted by parrot

No.

If UW (or its fans or coaches) is going to complain that a missed OOB call or two cost them the game, they should be arguing that a missed shot clock violation and a missed OOB that didn't just change possession but added a total 4 points to UW's score (2 of the points with just over 2 minutes to go in the critical part of the game) cost UK the semi-final game and that UK should have been in the game in their place.

[parrot]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

If UW (or its fans or coaches) is going to complain that a missed OOB call or two cost them the game, they should be arguing that a missed shot clock violation and a missed OOB that didn't just change possession but added a total 4 points to UW's score (2 of the points with just over 2 minutes to go in the critical part of the game) cost UK the semi-final game and that UK should have been in the game in their place.

Officiating had nothing to do with this game.

That's the statement I was replying to. Full stop.

I'm not sure what arguing how other missed calls impacted a previous game has to do with that. I'm not a UW fan, and I never claimed anything "cost" them the game. Duke was playing better at that point and probably wins anyway - so the original poster may have been a little hyperbolic saying the game came down to officiating - but if those calls go the way they should have gone it definitely affects how the game plays out, if not the final result.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by parrot

That's the statement I was replying to. Full stop.

I'm not sure what arguing how other missed calls impacted a previous game has to do with that. I'm not a UW fan, and I never claimed anything "cost" them the game. Duke was playing better at that point and probably wins anyway - so the original poster may have been a little hyperbolic saying the game came down to officiating - but if those calls go the way they should have gone it definitely affects how the game plays out, if not the final result.

If the very first questionable calls goes the other way, none of the other plays would have happened. The entire game events change. An entirely new sequence of events would have happened.

Where are Carl Sagan and Neil deGrasse Tyson when you need a space/time continuum to be altered?

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by parrot

Yeah, there's no way that two out of bounds calls going the wrong way down the stretch of a 5 point game had any impact on the game.

The problem with this line of thinking is that you're dismissing the other 37 minutes of the game, as if they don't matter.

It's a pet peeve of mine that people make a bigger deal out of a play just because it happened with a minute left in the game. Scoring, or preventing the other team to score, is just as important in the first minute of the game as the last minute.

[jpgc99]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

It's a pet peeve of mine that people make a bigger deal out of a play just because it happened with a minute left in the game. Scoring, or preventing the other team to score, is just as important in the first minute of the game as the last minute.

Without giving credence to other comments that have been made, a bad call late in the game does have more of an impact than one that occurs early in the game. The theory is that teams have more ability to overcome that mistake with more time. This diminishes as the clock winds down.

Don't interpret my comments to mean that I agree with parrot. I don't; and I don't think the officiating impacted this game.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Without giving credence to other comments that have been made, a bad call late in the game does have more of an impact than one that occurs early in the game. The theory is that teams have more ability to overcome that mistake with more time. This diminishes as the clock winds down.

Don't interpret my comments to mean that I agree with parrot. I don't; and I don't think the officiating impacted this game.

I agree, but it's never looked at in that way.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

I agree, but it's never looked at in that way.

It's look at that way by all college supervisors, and probably a good number of HS assignors.

As officials we are expected to be at peak concentration in the last 2-5 minutes of a game. The challenge is raising our level of concentration to those heights during the rest of the game.

[SAJ]

Originally Posted by jpgc99

Without giving credence to other comments that have been made, a bad call late in the game does have more of an impact than one that occurs early in the game. The theory is that teams have more ability to overcome that mistake with more time. This diminishes as the clock winds down.

Don't interpret my comments to mean that I agree with parrot. I don't; and I don't think the officiating impacted this game.

pretty much word for word from the guy on the floor

https://youtu.be/NX8krVUM_7I?t=5m15s

[Jesse James]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The problem with this line of thinking is that you're dismissing the other 37 minutes of the game, as if they don't matter.

It's a pet peeve of mine that people make a bigger deal out of a play just because it happened with a minute left in the game. Scoring, or preventing the other team to score, is just as important in the first minute of the game as the last minute.

If a team gets a couple of bad calls in the first two minutes, they've got 38 more to suck it up. Couple of bad calls down the stretch don't afford the same recovery period.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Jesse James

If a team gets a couple of bad calls in the first two minutes, they've got 38 more to suck it up. Couple of bad calls down the stretch don't afford the same recovery period.

I'm not going to argue this, as it's taking away from the topic of this thread, and I'm simply not interested in doing so.

Like I said... I agree, but that's not how most people look at it.

[JRutledge]

Oakafor had 2 fouls against him and sat for several minutes in the 1st half where if those calls were not made, the outcome might have been different. So if we disputed those 2 calls, would that have been a difference?

I still think when people act like an out of bounds call affected an outcome in a game, that is sad. Because without the replay, no one would have noticed how close that call was in the end.

Peace

[parrot]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

The problem with this line of thinking is that you're dismissing the other 37 minutes of the game, as if they don't matter.

It's a pet peeve of mine that people make a bigger deal out of a play just because it happened with a minute left in the game. Scoring, or preventing the other team to score, is just as important in the first minute of the game as the last minute.

You're presuming a whole with that first statement, but I'll let it go.

Is it also a "pet peeve" that they have replay in the last two minutes? What's so important about the last two minutes?