Wisconsin vs. Duke - National Championship - Master Thread

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by asjdksadklj

Unfortunate to have such a great game come down to the officiating.

What a dumbass.

The game came down to two freshman that made plays. Officiating had nothing to do with this game.

BTW, I was cheering for Wisconsin all the way.

Peace

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What a dumbass.

The game came down to two freshman that made plays. Officiating had nothing to do with this game.

BTW, I was cheering for Wisconsin all the way.

Peace

I agree. Duke made the plays to win. There were some tough calls, but there are tough calls in any game. I stand by my critique of the review, however. I don't understand how millions of people sitting at home can see who is the last to touch the ball but the 3 people that matter cannot. I'm guessing they didn't get the same angles at the same slow motion that the audience got.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by KCRC

I agree. Duke made the plays to win. There were some tough calls, but there are tough calls in any game. I stand by my critique of the review, however. I don't understand how millions of people sitting at home can see who is the last to touch the ball but the 3 people that matter cannot. I'm guessing they didn't get the same angles at the same slow motion that the audience got.

Everyone in America? I had a debate with my girlfriend about if it touched the Duke player. So not sure how everyone sees it that way. There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch. It was that close. Sorry, but I am sure there was a lot of debate over that call. And they seemed to only show that replay once that confirmed even a touch.

Peace

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Everyone in America? I had a debate with my girlfriend about if it touched the Duke player. So not sure how everyone sees it that way. There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch. It was that close. Sorry, but I am sure there was a lot of debate over that call. And they seemed to only show that replay once that confirmed even a touch.

Peace

Rut, the replay showed the ball was clearly off the Duke player. Two angles showed it. How those three guys choose not to see it is unexplainable. If the angle was definitive as you say, how did they not reverse the call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by OKREF

Rut, the replay showed the ball was clearly off the Duke player. Two angles showed it. How those three guys choose not to see it is unexplainable. If the angle was definitive as you say, how did they not reverse the call?

I saw the game. I saw the replays. Only one replay was definitive and without knowing what they were shown, they might not have seen that angle. I hope you do understand that the TV feeds are not necessarily the same angles they show to the officials. And I only saw that angle once and for some reason on the TV they went away from the angle. Sorry, but not sure what you were seeing. We had a dispute in my house over what was the call.

Peace

[Multiple Sports]

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

Same happens in the NFL. The TV angles shown are not shown the same to the monitors on the field.

Peace

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

We have a winner!!!

The program they use for the replay is DV Sports.
D-I Basketball Championships to use Advanced Timing, Replay Technologies - DVSport Software

I've used this system and they claim to use "HD" monitors but they are NOT very good and are pixelated. They replay shots from the truck are NOT quickly relayed to the DV Sports system. It is NOT a streamline process between the director in the TV truck and the DV Sports operator for the replay. Even if they did show the best replay angle to the crew on the floor where Winslow appears to have tipped the ball, the monitors would not show enough clarity that it did.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

But John Adams has also said that the officials and TV producers need to work together to ensure the officials get shown all the angles.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I saw the game. I saw the replays. Only one replay was definitive and without knowing what they were shown, they might not have seen that angle. I hope you do understand that the TV feeds are not necessarily the same angles they show to the officials. And I only saw that angle once and for some reason on the TV they went away from the angle. Sorry, but not sure what you were seeing. We had a dispute in my house over what was the call.

Peace

I don't know what possible debate there could be on this. Only one angle really showed it, sure, but that angle was ABSOLUTELY UNDENIABLY definitive. I'm not going to blame the officials entirely as we don't know what angles were made available to them, but there should be no dispute whatsoever what the correct call should have been. If they didn't see that one view, then no way the call should be overturned, and they got it right. But if they saw that one? Then it's a big mistake

[bainsey]

"You just have to able to hands and the checking. There was more body contact than any game we played all year, and I just feel sorry for my guys that, all of a sudden, a game was like that. They (UW players) are struggling with that a little.... It's a shame it had to be played that way."

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by bainsey

"You just have to able to hands and the checking. There was more body contact than any game we played all year, and I just feel sorry for my guys that, all of a sudden, a game was like that. They (UW players) are struggling with that a little.... It's a shame it had to be played that way."

And his team didn't do any of this contact? (and if they didn't why didn't they?) Wisconsin had 2 team fouls the whole first half. I don't think they were hurt by the officiating.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by just another ref

And his team didn't do any of this contact? (and if they didn't why didn't they?)

Because they don't play that style. They simply don't foul much.

Originally Posted by just another ref

Wisconsin had 2 team fouls the whole first half. I don't think they were hurt by the officiating.

See above.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Matt

Because they don't play that style.

One of the biggest keys to success in any sport is the ability to make adjustments during the game. And yes, officiating is something one must sometimes adjust to.

[KCRC]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch.

Peace

Exactly right. I'm not criticizing the call in real time. But as soon as the monitor is turned around, then the level of expected accuracy goes up significantly.