Wisconsin vs. Duke - National Championship - Master Thread - Page 3

JRutledge · #31 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 10:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCRC

I agree. Duke made the plays to win. There were some tough calls, but there are tough calls in any game. I stand by my critique of the review, however. I don't understand how millions of people sitting at home can see who is the last to touch the ball but the 3 people that matter cannot. I'm guessing they didn't get the same angles at the same slow motion that the audience got.

Everyone in America? I had a debate with my girlfriend about if it touched the Duke player. So not sure how everyone sees it that way. There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch. It was that close. Sorry, but I am sure there was a lot of debate over that call. And they seemed to only show that replay once that confirmed even a touch.

Peace

OKREF · #32 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 10:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Everyone in America? I had a debate with my girlfriend about if it touched the Duke player. So not sure how everyone sees it that way. There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch. It was that close. Sorry, but I am sure there was a lot of debate over that call. And they seemed to only show that replay once that confirmed even a touch.

Peace

Rut, the replay showed the ball was clearly off the Duke player. Two angles showed it. How those three guys choose not to see it is unexplainable. If the angle was definitive as you say, how did they not reverse the call?

bainsey · #33 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 10:53pm

"You just have to able to hands and the checking. There was more body contact than any game we played all year, and I just feel sorry for my guys that, all of a sudden, a game was like that. They (UW players) are struggling with that a little.... It's a shame it had to be played that way."

Multiple Sports · #34 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 10:53pm

Just listened to his post game on CBS....up 9 and indirectly blaming referees....cmon!!!! You got beat by two freshman....Wisconsin for years beat the crap out of people in B10 play. We are discussing 4 - 6 calls in the 2nd half. I give the crew a solid B....

BryanV21 · #35 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 10:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

Who wanted that to be a FF1?

Bo Ryan

KCRC · #36 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch.

Peace

Exactly right. I'm not criticizing the call in real time. But as soon as the monitor is turned around, then the level of expected accuracy goes up significantly.

JRutledge · #37 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF

Rut, the replay showed the ball was clearly off the Duke player. Two angles showed it. How those three guys choose not to see it is unexplainable. If the angle was definitive as you say, how did they not reverse the call?

I saw the game. I saw the replays. Only one replay was definitive and without knowing what they were shown, they might not have seen that angle. I hope you do understand that the TV feeds are not necessarily the same angles they show to the officials. And I only saw that angle once and for some reason on the TV they went away from the angle. Sorry, but not sure what you were seeing. We had a dispute in my house over what was the call.

Peace

BDevil15 · #38 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:12pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There was only one angle that was definitive. And it was a close call that only replay would have caught the touch. It was that close. Sorry, but I am sure there was a lot of debate over that call. And they seemed to only show that replay once that confirmed even a touch.

Peace

How many did they need?

Multiple Sports · #39 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:16pm

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

just another ref · #40 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:19pm

A big guy who can put the ball on the floor, like Kaminsky, is a great beneficiary of the current (non)travel rule in the NCAA. Case in point is the move at the 9:20 mark which picked up Okafor's 4th foul.

JRutledge · #41 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BDevil15

How many did they need?

Do you know what they saw? If you don't then stop telling everyone what they missed. My point is only one angle showed a fingertip and not much of a touch at that. You need the right one, not the one you think shows the play. They have time and pressure to make a decision.

Peace

JRutledge · #42 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

Same happens in the NFL. The TV angles shown are not shown the same to the monitors on the field.

Peace

Camron Rust · #43 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

While I don't work basketball, I figured someone would ask for that...

Good call...arms no where near vertical.

Camron Rust · #44 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by InsideTheStripe

Who wanted that to be a FF1?

Despite the fit Ryan was pitching about that play, there wasn't anything close to a FF1 on the play. You can't call a FF1 on a shooter because the defender rammed his face into the shooters elbow as the shooter was going up.

dahoopref · #45 (**permalink**) Mon Apr 06, 2015, 11:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Multiple Sports

This was discussed at some of the conference D1 clinics last fall. For some reason, I'm not that far up the totem pole to know, but the monitor doesn't show every angle that they can produce from the CBS truck....that being said, I'm assuming they didn't have that particular angle....and they went with what they were given...

We have a winner!!!

The program they use for the replay is DV Sports.
D-I Basketball Championships to use Advanced Timing, Replay Technologies - DVSport Software

I've used this system and they claim to use "HD" monitors but they are NOT very good and are pixelated. They replay shots from the truck are NOT quickly relayed to the DV Sports system. It is NOT a streamline process between the director in the TV truck and the DV Sports operator for the replay. Even if they did show the best replay angle to the crew on the floor where Winslow appears to have tipped the ball, the monitors would not show enough clarity that it did.

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
National Basketball Championship	swerv17	Basketball	3	Wed Jul 10, 2013 08:42am
2011 NCAA Tournament Officials (Master Thread)	big jake	Basketball	229	Wed Apr 11, 2012 11:37pm
Canadian University National Championship	JugglingReferee	Basketball	8	Sun Mar 16, 2008 05:13pm
2005 National Championship Final	IRISHMAFIA	Softball	4	Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:29pm
Canada Cup National Championship	JugglingReferee	Football	15	Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:55am