New Youth Sports Law in Florida

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Rich

Terrible rule. Officials will be under pressure to keep people that need to go in games and there will be worse behavior in the long run.


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Agreed. It's bad on a number of levels. May be well intentioned but really, really bad execution. Hopefully someone with some degree of intelligence in the FL legislature (HA!) will see the folly of trying to enforce (and the real-life consequences this is going to ceate) and defeat this thing before it ever comes to a vote.

And IMHO...a textbook example of government overreach.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Agreed. It's bad on a number of levels. May be well intentioned but really, really bad execution. Hopefully someone with some degree of intelligence in the FL legislature (HA!) will see the folly of trying to enforce (and the real-life consequences this is going to ceate) and defeat this thing before it ever comes to a vote.

And IMHO...a textbook example of government overreach.

I'd bet a nickle that the senator doesn't have any intention of driving this through the process to law, but is using the bill as a way of getting some attention -- both for himself and for the problem in youth sports. I'll be the bill is sparking a lot of discussions (like this one), and that some leagues may use it is as inspiration to remind coaches (and parents) of appropriate behavior. And I'd hope some would use it to remind refs to toss the miscreants who don't get the message and clean up the league.

(Our local AYSO Area had a lead administrator who would come to the referee meetings for the Area programs (most notably the older players) and plead with referees to toss the bad actors as that is how they got to the attention of an the administrator in a way she could act. After a few years of action, the environment is really quite good. Alas, not all leagues have that kind of support.)

[SC Official]

I worked a train wreck youth "church" league last year (against my better judgment) in which we were told not to give coaches technical fouls. We were told to go to the director if we had a problem with a coach (which we did many times throughout the season). The league director would never take care of business, and the problems never improved. I lost my temper with him one time and told him loudly, "Deal with that coach before I do!" Thankfully, he has been relieved of his duties by the church, and I no longer provide them my services, but apparently the new director has straightened things out (and instructs referees to call technicals).

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I worked a train wreck youth "church" league last year (against my better judgment) in which we were told not to give coaches technical fouls.

Nothing they said after this would matter. I don't call a lot of them, but I'm not going to work a game where I know any I did call wouldn't be supported.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by SC Official

I worked a train wreck youth "church" league last year (against my better judgment) in which we were told not to give coaches technical fouls.

Big. Red. Flag.

Run away...don't walk.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Big. Red. Flag.

Run away...don't walk.

The Toledo CYO basketball uses NFHS Basketball Rules with two modifications: 1) No dunking allowed. PERIOD!! It is a TF. 2) All TFs for dunking or unsportsmanlike behavior, including players and bench personnell is considered a FTF and automatice ejection.

MTD, Sr.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The Toledo CYO basketball uses NFHS Basketball Rules with two modifications: 1) No dunking allowed. PERIOD!! It is a TF. 2) All TFs for dunking or unsportsmanlike behavior, including players and bench personnell is considered a FTF and automatice ejection.

MTD, Sr.

I'm always intrigued by no-dunking rules -- and wonder if they are inspired by old equipment in many gyms (very possible for CYO -- older schools may not have spring wound rims) or to avoid intimidation (which I think is bogus, but, hey, it's their rules).

[JRutledge]

The line, "It is all about the kids" gets us in trouble a lot. If you do not like what you are leaving your house to do, you should not go. JMO.

Peace

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Big. Red. Flag.

Run away...don't walk.

Yep.

Tempted to respond:
"Should I also consult with you before I call traveling?"

"If you want to deal with the coaches during the game, you'll need to put on a whistle."

"I'll assume then that you'll be sitting next to them to prevent them from crossing the line."

Actual response:
"No thank you. Have a good day, and good luck with your league."

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by Adam

Nothing they said after this would matter. I don't call a lot of them, but I'm not going to work a game where I know any I did call wouldn't be supported.

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

Big. Red. Flag.

Run away...don't walk.

Unfortunately, the nice guy in me said "it's all about the kids" and "I'd hate for this league to not have enough officials." The assignor also begged. I gave the league the benefit of the doubt (again, against my better judgment) that everyone would be respectful of the church atmosphere and any issues would be corrected swiftly. Alas, that did not go according to plan. I should've known better after this many years. Thankfully, for the league's sake, the church stepped in after the season and relieved the director of his duties. Not that it matters to me anymore, but at least something was done about it, if for no one other than the kids' sake.

I avoid most wreck and church leagues altogether.