Inbounding Ball Question

[starmanhoops]

I can't find this in the rule book... Inbounding from out of bounds a player has 5 seconds to release the ball from out of bounds onto the court...correct?
At this point the rule is satisfied...correct? There is no requirement for anyone to touch it within the 5 second count..right? Which is why it's legal to roll it in and nobody sometimes touches it for 7-10 seconds. So if it is in the backcourt
the 10 second count also starts when there is a touch on the court and not before? The game clock always starts on the touch inbounds. All accurate?

[MechanicGuy]

Yes.

In this same vein though, the 10-second backcourt count continues until front court status is established. I.E., a pass in the air (from backcourt to front), that doesn't touch anything the front court before the count reaches 10, is a violation.

[starmanhoops]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

Yes.

In this same vein though, the 10-second backcourt count continues until front court status is established. I.E., a pass in the air (from backcourt to front), that doesn't touch anything the front court before the count reaches 10, is a violation.

Cool....thank you...appreciate the added piece.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by starmanhoops

I can't find this in the rule book... Inbounding from out of bounds a player has 5 seconds to release the ball from out of bounds onto the court...correct?
At this point the rule is satisfied...correct? There is no requirement for anyone to touch it within the 5 second count..right? Which is why it's legal to roll it in and nobody sometimes touches it for 7-10 seconds. So if it is in the backcourt
the 10 second count also starts when there is a touch on the court and not before? The game clock always starts on the touch inbounds. All accurate?

Actually, a couple of your thoughts aren't precisely correct.

9-2-4 is the citation for the NFHS rule requiring the throw-in pass to be released before five seconds elapses. 9-5-1d is the NCAA citation.
There is no requirement that the ball actually contact the court or a player prior to the five seconds expiring, just that the throw-in pass be released.

The ten-second backcourt count does NOT start on just a mere touch of the ball. Player control must be gained, meaning that the ball must be caught or dribbled inbounds to start the 10-second count. This can be confusing because the NCAA now has the officials use the shot clock to time ten-second backcourt violations and the shot clock starts on the first touch by ANY inbounds player (offense or defense). Most of the time this method works just fine because the first touch in the backcourt is also a catch of the throw-in pass by the offensive team establishing control. However, when the throw-in pass is deflected and not immediately caught the shot clock and the ten-second count will not coincide. The officials must be alert and look at the shot clock when control is first established, then give the team ten seconds from that point to reach the frontcourt.

The game clock starts on a mere touch from ANY inbounds player.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by starmanhoops

Inbounding from out of bounds a player has 5 seconds to release the ball from out of bounds onto the court...correct?
At this point the rule is satisfied...correct? There is no requirement for anyone to touch it within the 5 second count...right?

The "must be touched in five seconds" inbounds myth goes back to the 1980's when that, indeed, was the NFHS rule.

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. won't mind climbing up to his attic library to find us a citation from the past.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Actually, a couple of your thoughts aren't precisely correct.

9-2-4 is the citation for the NFHS rule requiring the throw-in pass to be released before five seconds elapses. 9-5-1d is the NCAA citation.
There is no requirement that the ball actually contact the court or a player prior to the five seconds expiring, just that the throw-in pass be released.

The ten-second backcourt count does NOT start on just a mere touch of the ball. Player control must be gained, meaning that the ball must be caught or dribbled inbounds to start the 10-second count. This can be confusing because the NCAA now has the officials use the shot clock to time ten-second backcourt violations and the shot clock starts on the first touch by ANY inbounds player (offense or defense). Most of the time this method works just fine because the first touch in the backcourt is also a catch of the throw-in pass by the offensive team establishing control. However, when the throw-in pass is deflected and not immediately caught the shot clock and the ten-second count will not coincide. The officials must be alert and look at the shot clock when control is first established, then give the team ten seconds from that point to reach the frontcourt.

The game clock starts on a mere touch from ANY inbounds player.

The bolded statement is not correct.

Player control is not needed in NCAA for the 10 second count to start. It begins on the first touch.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

The "must be touched in five seconds" inbounds myth goes back to the 1980's when that, indeed, was the NFHS rule.

I'm sure that Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. won't mind climbing up to his attic library to find us a citation from the past.

We believe you Billy. Some of us actually remember when that was the rule. No need for an outdated rules citation to back you up.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

... the shot clock starts on the first touch by ANY inbounds player (offense or defense).

Hmmm, perhaps that is an NCAA thing? That was never my understanding for HS. I thought the shot clock starts when player control is established inbounds?

Or is the "team control" element on throw-ins (which was added strictly for the purpose of administering FTs, no?) extended to shot clock provisions as well?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by ODog

Hmmm, perhaps that is an NCAA thing? That was never my understanding for HS. I thought the shot clock starts when player control is established inbounds?

Or is the "team control" element on throw-ins (which was added strictly for the purpose of administering FTs, no?) extended to shot clock provisions as well?

Of course it's an NCAA thing, NFHS rule set does not have a shot clock.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by starmanhoops

I can't find this in the rule book... Inbounding from out of bounds a player has 5 seconds to release the ball from out of bounds onto the court...correct?
At this point the rule is satisfied...correct? There is no requirement for anyone to touch it within the 5 second count..right? Which is why it's legal to roll it in and nobody sometimes touches it for 7-10 seconds. So if it is in the backcourt
the 10 second count also starts when there is a touch on the court and not before? The game clock always starts on the touch inbounds. All accurate?

You have a "throw-in" question.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ODog

Hmmm, perhaps that is an NCAA thing? That was never my understanding for HS. I thought the shot clock starts when player control is established inbounds?

Or is the "team control" element on throw-ins (which was added strictly for the purpose of administering FTs, no?) extended to shot clock provisions as well?

Which high school rules have you seen in regards to the shot clock?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Which high school rules have you seen in regards to the shot clock?

The CIF (California high school rules modifications).

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

The bolded statement is not correct.

Player control is not needed in NCAA for the 10 second count to start. It begins on the first touch.

This must have been one of the changes that the NCAA made in the past two seasons. That was not the case a couple of years ago.

I just went and checked the current NCAA rules book and yes, this was one of the changes. However, according to the text, the shot clock does NOT start on a defensive touch of a throw-in pass only on a touch by a player of the team in his own backcourt and player control IS required for the 10-second count to begin following a missed try for goal. So the first touch is only correct for an offensive player on a throw-in pass, which is the context of the OP's question. Thanks for forcing me to research this. I learned something today.

CHANGES FOR 2014 and 2015
Violations- 10-second back court. (Rule 9-10).
The 10-second count shall begin when a player legally touches the ball in that team’s back court except on a rebound or jump ball. In such case, the 10-second count shall start on player control.

[BatteryPowered]

Originally Posted by starmanhoops

I can't find this in the rule book... Inbounding from out of bounds a player has 5 seconds to release the ball from out of bounds onto the court...correct?
At this point the rule is satisfied...correct? There is no requirement for anyone to touch it within the 5 second count..right? Which is why it's legal to roll it in and nobody sometimes touches it for 7-10 seconds. So if it is in the backcourt
the 10 second count also starts when there is a touch on the court and not before? The game clock always starts on the touch inbounds. All accurate?

Just curious, from what other location can an throw-in start?

Just picking a nit...

[starmanhoops]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

You have a "throw-in" question.

You are correct...


And thank you Billy: The "must be touched in five seconds" inbounds myth goes back to the 1980's when that, indeed, was the NFHS rule.