Gonzaga vs Duke Push with ball (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

Not only do they not have such a cite, they don't even have a cite to indicate they're even possibly right. Personally, I think it falls under the unintended advantage clause, but this isn't a major issue, IMO.

And I have no problem with any official having that outlook on the play. My opinion about play-calling is that you only call what you can explain. Make the call, and if the coach asks, be willing to confidently say that's why you made the call. But some folks here acts as if there is some black-and-white reference that makes such an interpretation an absolute.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And I have no problem with any official having that outlook on the play. My opinion about play-calling is that you only call what you can explain. Make the call, and if the coach asks, be willing to confidently say that's why you made the call. But some folks here acts as if there is some black-and-white reference that makes such an interpretation an absolute.

Agreed. I also don't have an issue with someone who might argue that if you think the kid is trying to take advantage of a loophole, just stick him with the T to put a stop to it.

Originally Posted by Jay R

And as these responses prove, common sense doesn't always kick in. Here the official calls a player control foul which no one questions. The game continues smoothly. Imagine no calling that play and then saying to the coach it's a no call because he used to "ball" to push off. The game does not continue smoothly.

You can say that I'm ignoring the rule, but I am following the spirit of the rule.

100% agree. I had a play this year that would have been a blocking foul had the ball not been between the players. I no called it and my game did not continue smoothly.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by AremRed

100% agree. I had a play this year that would have been a blocking foul had the ball not been between the players. I no called it and my game did not continue smoothly.

So you feel as if you should have called a block even though the contact was with the ball?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So you feel as if you should have called a block even though the contact was with the ball?

Yep, I do.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, I do.

Sorry but WOW!!!

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So you feel as if you should have called a block even though the contact was with the ball?

Originally Posted by AremRed

Yep, I do.

Well, I guess that is the logical next step if one would call a PC in such situations.

The one or two times I may have this in the futurer (never had it yet), I'll just live with explaining why I didn't make the call.

[APG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBy1Zd07tuM

[JRutledge]

There was a lot of contact with the shoulder and arm, not the ball.

Good PC foul BTW.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

There was a lot of contact with the shoulder and arm, not the ball.

Good PC foul BTW.

Peace

Yes, the ball had nothing to do with why this was called. Not even sure if the ball ever did touch the defender. If it did, it was after the contact that led to the PC foul.

[ODog]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Not even sure if the ball ever did touch the defender. If it did ...

Seriously?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by ODog

Seriously?

Uh, yeah, seriously.

He contacts the defender with the entirety of his right arm, including the back of his right hand. There is a perfect shot of it around the 17 second mark. Do you think his right hand disappeared somehow when he made the move? He is pressing the ball into his right hand with his left hand. He never puts the ball in front, it stays behind his right hand.

Classic triple whistle.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Uh, yeah, seriously.

He contacts the defender with the entirety of his right arm, including the back of his right hand. There is a perfect shot of it around the 17 second mark. Do you think his right hand disappeared somehow when he made the move? He is pressing the ball into his right hand with his left hand. He never puts the ball in front, it stays behind his right hand.

I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I agree that there is contact with the forearm and the back of the hand. But are you saying that if he drops the right arm and has the ball in only the left hand here and gives the same shove you would have a no call?

I am not calling a foul in your situation. There would have to be contact with arm and shoulder to have a foul in your situation.

Peace