Should the travel rule be overhauled/rewritten?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by constable

Our supervisors around here tell us that if we need to watch them in slow motion several times over then don't call it. We aren't in the business of splitting hairs

If I need to watch it in frame-by-frame to see it, I agree. If I can see it live and confirm it with slow motion, that's different.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Adam

If I need to watch it in frame-by-frame to see it, I agree. If I can see it live and confirm it with slow motion, that's different.

I hate when an official cas the travel and people on here say I can only see it in slow motion so it wasn't a good call.

[JRutledge]

We need to stop this "ignoring the rule" narrative. Travels are hard to get based on all levels. I see all level of officials miss travels. And when I called a couple in the State Finals, people complained as if they were missed, but the video backed me up. And most of all who cares what fans think. Anything funny to them is a travel even when it is not rules based. Why are we concerned with what fans think about any rule that they do not have to administer?

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I hate when an official cas the travel and people on here say I can only see it in slow motion so it wasn't a good call.

Exactly. No need to declare it to be a bad call just because someone else's judgement is more finely tuned.

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I hate when an official cas the travel and people on here say I can only see it in slow motion so it wasn't a good call.

Agreed. If it happened, it happened. If the official in questions sees slow motion better than you, maybe he's better than you.

That said, I think we tend to allow "two steps" on driving layups, in spite of the rule. In other words, we basically rule the dribble ended after the first step, even if it actaully ended before. I'm not sure whether it's a benefit-of-the-doubt thing or just being consistent.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Agreed. If it happened, it happened. If the official in questions sees slow motion better than you, maybe he's better than you.

That said, I think we tend to allow "two steps" on driving layups, in spite of the rule. In other words, we basically rule the dribble ended after the first step, even if it actaully ended before. I'm not sure whether it's a benefit-of-the-doubt thing or just being consistent.

For me, it's benefit of the doubt. I'm conditioned to see the layup as legal, so unless it's blatant, I don't call anything because I don't see it.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I hate when an official cas the travel and people on here say I can only see it in slow motion so it wasn't a good call.

This is part of why I'm frustrated. Maybe I'm unique in that I'm able to see this particular aspect of the game better than most.

But when I make these calls in games, I get a lot of grief from coaches, mostly because so few officials call it this way.

I think the game may even be better served by ruling these kind of moves as legal, in the rulebook.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

This is part of why I'm frustrated. Maybe I'm unique in that I'm able to see this particular aspect of the game better than most.

But when I make these calls in games, I get a lot of grief from coaches, mostly because so few officials call it this way.

I think the game may even be better served by ruling these kind of moves as legal, in the rulebook.

I'll say this, and it may seem to be a contradiction of what I wrote earlier.

If you find you're literally the only official in your area making the call, you might want to consider adjusting your filters.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Adam

I'll say this, and it may seem to be a contradiction of what I wrote earlier.

If you find you're literally the only official in your area making the call, you might want to consider adjusting your filters.

I'm inclined to agree, unfortunately.

I see posts like this, from relatively important sources, and get even more frustrated because they go nearly ignored at every level.

GET THE SPIN TRAVEL | Dave Hall Officiating

[Adam]

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy

I'm inclined to agree, unfortunately.

I see posts like this, from relatively important sources, and get even more frustrated because they go nearly ignored at every level.

GET THE SPIN TRAVEL | Dave Hall Officiating

I can say that my area wants us getting the spin travel. It's funny when I get it in a freshman game and some yahoo from the stands starts telling me that's a middle school call. All I can think is, "it it was, your kid would have stopped doing it last year."

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by Adam

I can say that my area wants us getting the spin travel. It's funny when I get it in a freshman game and some yahoo from the stands starts telling me that's a middle school call. All I can think is, "it it was, your kid would have stopped doing it last year."

As I move up in my area, I hope to influence others to call it as well. I honestly think it's simply a matter of pointing out what the player's feet are doing during the move.

[mutantducky]

Our supervisors around here tell us that if we need to watch them in slow motion several times over then don't call it. We aren't in the business of splitting hairs

totally agree. If I see a player make a good spin move I'm not going to call it unless I see that extra step or pivot coming down. Euro step has to be watched because players can do that James Harden type when the pivot comes down. I missed one like that.
I've said this before but I've seen refs call too many travels on quick plays, by that I mean when the player catches the ball and makes a move right after. Either a drive to the basket, or a fake then go. Sometimes the ball isn't released but other times the refs seem like they weren't ready for that fast of a move and they call a travel when it's not.

[MechanicGuy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcq_20O07b8



This movie is RARELY called correctly. At any level.

[mutantducky]

Our supervisors around here tell us that if we need to watch them in slow motion several times over then don't call it. We aren't in the business of splitting hairs

totally agree. If I see a player make a good spin move I'm not going to call it unless I see that extra step or pivot coming down. Euro step has to be watched because players can do that James Harden type when the pivot comes down. I missed one like that.
I've said this before but I've seen refs call too many travels on quick plays, by that I mean when the player catches the ball and makes a move right after. Either a drive to the basket, or a fake then go. Sometimes the ball isn't released but other times the refs seem like they weren't ready for that fast of a move and they call a travel when it's not.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

totally agree. If I see a player make a good spin move I'm not going to call it unless I see that extra step or pivot coming down.

On spin moves, it's not really about watching the pivot come down. It's about seeing where the feet are when the gather takes place. The finish of the spin will look the same almost every time.

Watch a few games with the DVR remote in your hand. Take a second look at EVERY spin move, from guards or big men, when the ball is picked up/gathered mid-spin. I'll bet you'll be surprised at how few of them are legal.

I think it's a point that needs to be widely taught, because I don't believe most officials consider them to be even near travels. They simply see it as a legal move and don't give it a second thought.