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Old Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:25am
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An alert (new) Team A player should have ran into a substitute on the court!
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:44pm
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An "alert""smart"savvy" player should have seen that and throw the inbounds off a bench player. Poor coaching in my opinion. I would have told my players in the event of them scoring late bring the ball inbounds on UNC bench side and find a player celebrating and run into them
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An "alert""smart"savvy" player should have seen that and throw the inbounds off a bench player. Poor coaching in my opinion. I would have told my players in the event of them scoring late bring the ball inbounds on UNC bench side and find a player celebrating and run into them
It should be pre-gamed.
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2015, 01:02pm
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Watching this tournament I have learned one big thing. Coaches (or players) really aren't that smart. The sheer number of coaches I see coaching and several feet on the court leads to me think that if I were a coach I would have a play where a player of mine runs right into the coach. Fall, over, make a scene, force the T.

So many times the opposing players didn't even think of doing this. There is no way the officials cannot call a T if something like that were to happen. Easy 2 points plus possession.
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2015, 02:33pm
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An "alert""smart"savvy" player should have seen that and throw the inbounds off a bench player. Poor coaching in my opinion. I would have told my players in the event of them scoring late bring the ball inbounds on UNC bench side and find a player celebrating and run into them
If only coaches saw fit to spend some of their limited coaching minutes addressing a situation that will likely never happen.
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2015, 02:46pm
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Watching this tournament I have learned one big thing. Coaches (or players) really aren't that smart. The sheer number of coaches I see coaching and several feet on the court leads to me think that if I were a coach I would have a play where a player of mine runs right into the coach. Fall, over, make a scene, force the T.

So many times the opposing players didn't even think of doing this. There is no way the officials cannot call a T if something like that were to happen. Easy 2 points plus possession.
are you being serious?

Unless, of course, the ref decides that your player went out his way to run into the coach and Ts him up for unsporting behavior, so you lose the ball and 2 points and pick up a player & team foul . . . seems to me that the coaches are actually smart enought to be having their players focus on actually playing the game instead of being overly cute.
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are you being serious?

Unless, of course, the ref decides that your player went out his way to run into the coach and Ts him up for unsporting behavior, so you lose the ball and 2 points and pick up a player & team foul . . . seems to me that the coaches are actually smart enought to be having their players focus on actually playing the game instead of being overly cute.
The onus is on the coach to not be on the court...hard to defend a coach if he's clearly on the court.
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are you being serious?

Unless, of course, the ref decides that your player went out his way to run into the coach and Ts him up for unsporting behavior, so you lose the ball and 2 points and pick up a player & team foul . . . seems to me that the coaches are actually smart enought to be having their players focus on actually playing the game instead of being overly cute.
If coaches and bench personnel are on the court, the onus is entirely on them if a players runs into them, whether it's intentional or not.

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The onus is on the coach to not be on the court...hard to defend a coach if he's clearly on the court.
In fact, it is supposed to be an automatic T if the coach is on the court and an official runs into him.
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are you being serious?

Unless, of course, the ref decides that your player went out his way to run into the coach and Ts him up for unsporting behavior, so you lose the ball and 2 points and pick up a player & team foul . . . seems to me that the coaches are actually smart enought to be having their players focus on actually playing the game instead of being overly cute.
Frankly, if the coach is on the court, it's on him to stay out of the way. If the play is designed so that the coach's position actually inhibits the offense, I'm getting the T on the coach. If the player intentionally runs into the coach, I may just pass on it, but I'm not getting the player for a T when all he's doing is running where he's allowed to run.

I there are two main reasons we don't see it.

1. The coach is paying more attention to his surroundings than we give him credit for, and he gets out of the way. In fact, most times, they aren't on the court when their team is on defense in front of them.
2. It's a bush-league move.
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No comment, and you being confused makes sense.

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1. The coach is paying more attention to his surroundings than we give him credit for, and he gets out of the way. In fact, most times, they aren't on the court when their team is on defense in front of them.
2. It's a bush-league move.
I would generally agree with you, but watching the tourney I have seen teams in full court press where the team on defense was the bench in the backcourt and the coaches were easily a few feet onto the court instructing players.

It may be bush league in your opinion, in mine it's a heads up play. stay off the court coach.
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Ok having read the NCAA language I now agree with the officials although I don't like the language in the rule although that decision is made by people a lot smarter than I.
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Old Tue Mar 24, 2015, 11:16pm
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Ok having read the NCAA language I now agree with the officials although I don't like the language in the rule although that decision is made by people a lot smarter than I.
I doubt it since there are so many coaches on the rules committee.
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Ok having read the NCAA language I now agree with the officials although I don't like the language in the rule although that decision is made by people a lot smarter than I.
So wouldn't asking "what's the rule?" be smarter than saying "it's ridiculous" and "hopefully the site evaluator won't advance that crew?"
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obviously since the play on choice is supported by rule I take back my comments about them not advancing.sometimes the toughest calls are the calls questioned by outsiders.
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Old Wed Mar 25, 2015, 11:43am
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If coaches and bench personnel are on the court, the onus is entirely on them if a players runs into them, whether it's intentional or not.
But as a coach am I really going to gamble that every referee will see it that way rather than consider it a doofus move rather than call something on the player for initiating? Or just no call it on the ground that the coach wasn't actually interfering with anything since it was player initiated? Sometimes it does make sense to just play the game. . . .
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