West Virginia vs Maryland (Video 2/2)

[ballgame99]

1) At what point does it become two guys just running into one another?

I ask because I had a play this year where the two wing guards were looping through the lane to switch sides and one of the offensive players and the opposite defender just didn't see each other and slammed into one another. I had no call since neither player was more responsible for the contact than the other. Is that wrong?

2) that pass and crash looks like an easy PC

[deecee]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

1) At what point does it become two guys just running into one another?

I ask because I had a play this year where the two wing guards were looping through the lane to switch sides and one of the offensive players and the opposite defender just didn't see each other and slammed into one another. I had no call since neither player was more responsible for the contact than the other. Is that wrong?

2) that pass and crash looks like an easy PC

A tie goes in the offense's favor as far as I'm concerned. In the rare case its a loose ball and 2 players are going for the ball I would tend to pass. Either way it's not cut and dry, but in collisions I have always been taught to have a whistle.

[Mechanicsman]

Originally Posted by ballgame99

1) At what point does it become two guys just running into one another?

I ask because I had a play this year where the two wing guards were looping through the lane to switch sides and one of the offensive players and the opposite defender just didn't see each other and slammed into one another. I had no call since neither player was more responsible for the contact than the other. Is that wrong?

2) that pass and crash looks like an easy PC

You can tell the intent of the offensive player was to screen here. He's focused in on that player and in someone of a screening position. When two guys just run into each other they are usually looking the other way. Not to mention he completely took the defender out of the play. It's just judgement.

[Rob1968]

Watching that game, I was certain those 2 plays would show up here.

That illegal screen/miss was a game changer. Did Trimble even come back into the game after that?

On the second video, WOW! The Maryland player was there so early. I can't see how that was missed.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

Watching that game, I was certain those 2 plays would show up here.

That illegal screen/miss was a game changer. Did Trimble even come back into the game after that?

Would that have changed if they made the call?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Adam

Would that have changed if they made the call?

It's possible that foul shots may have resulted earlier. And calling a foul does have an impact on the reaction of some coaches.

But if that player didn't return to the game, having a call here, I agree, wouldn't have changed that fact. (Assuming that's what you're getting at.)

[ILRef80]

I still can't believe they missed that screen. So inexcusable.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by Adam

Would that have changed if they made the call?

Of course the call/no-call had nothing to do with Trimble's contribution, after that play. My statement was a simple observation, with no intended fault-finding on the part of the officials.
What I meant was that Trimble seemed to be really affected by the contact - he really took a shot on that play - and sat on the bench most of the rest of the game. And, the kick to the face he received, as noted by BNR, not long after that play, didn't help . . .

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

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That illegal screen/miss was a game changer. Did Trimble even come back into the game after that?

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Yes, then got kicked in the face by his own teammate. Not a good day for Melo.

[JugglingReferee]

Slot missed the illegal screen.

And nowhere near a block. A no-call would have been less inaccurate.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Slot missed the illegal screen.

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I say that screen is on the Trail. A1 had turned the corner and the Trail was still looking at him. The C should have had A1 at this point, and the Trail should have switched to off-ball coverage.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I say that screen is on the Trail. A1 had turned the corner and the Trail was still looking at him. The C should have had A1 at this point, and the Trail should have switched to off-ball coverage.

This foul is rather egregious in my opinion, so any of the three should grab it.

When the ball is up top, the T has it, agreed? If so, then the C needs to look at next point of attack - either a drive or a pass. The player in front of him is not contested, so he gets about 10% of the C's attention. Next he looks to the key, and sees action by A. I think reading the play is very important here. This foul can be picked up by the T, but the C should have it as well, imho. If the C has it, and the T has it as well, I think the T should defer to the C. If the C didn't get it, then the T goes with it.

[Jay R]

I actually see #44 White pushing the dribbler (from behind) into the defender on the second play. I might not have seen that in real time.