NC State vs Villanova (Video 2/2)

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by scrounge

He called a push in the back, which there might have been but it was slight. Sure came in from a long, LONG way from a deep trail to call that push a foot from the baseline on the center's side

Part of why I'm asking is that it looked like if there was any contact, it was with the Villanova player between him and the shooter.

[scrounge]

Originally Posted by hbk314

Part of why I'm asking is that it looked like if there was any contact, it was with the Villanova player between him and the shooter.

The NC State's player's hand was definitely near his back, just not sure how much a push there was. But if there was one, the trail had easily the best angle despite the distance.

[crosscountry55]

I'm with you guys on this one. If the T is going to come screaming in to get a foul here, it better be an elephant. This was no elephant. The look on the L's face was, "dude, seriously?"

I have a DVR and I stopped it here before the announcers could announce anything. Played it a few times to try and guess what was going to get called. I thought if anything the V shot would be good, and then V would get the ball for the common foul by NC St. on the player between the NC St. player and the shooter. But then I thought, "this would be a very odd call for an emphatically closing trail official to make." Sure enough, he called the foul in the act of shooting.

About a minute later the same official called a travel on a V player in the paint. That was technically a good call, but there hadn't been too many of those types of calls in the game, and here we were with three minutes left. Hmmm

Between that call and the one before, Jay Wright almost lost it. If there hadn't been a chaplain on the bench, he just might have.

Probably not this official's finest few minutes. I think he got a little caught up in the emotion of the game. Been there, done that, and I get a little better every time I'm in that kind of scenario. And then I move up a level and the learning curve gets even steeper.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I'm with you guys on this one. If the T is going to come screaming in to get a foul here, it better be an elephant. This was no elephant. The look on the L's face was, "dude, seriously?"

I have a DVR and I stopped it here before the announcers could announce anything. Played it a few times to try and guess what was going to get called. I thought if anything the V shot would be good, and then V would get the ball for the common foul by NC St. on the player between the NC St. player and the shooter. But then I thought, "this would be a very odd call for an emphatically closing trail official to make." Sure enough, he called the foul in the act of shooting.

About a minute later the same official called a travel on a V player in the paint. That was technically a good call, but there hadn't been too many of those types of calls in the game, and here we were with three minutes left. Hmmm

Between that call and the one before, Jay Wright almost lost it. If there hadn't been a chaplain on the bench, he just might have.

Probably not this official's finest few minutes. I think he got a little caught up in the emotion of the game. Been there, done that, and I get a little better every time I'm in that kind of scenario. And then I move up a level and the learning curve gets even steeper.

Well, the first call, which the OP is about, was very much in Nova's favor, so I doubt that had much to do with Wright's whining. I did notice him, on consecutive timeouts, walk right past his players to get in an official's face.

Seems like a joy to officiate in front of

[Rich]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

I'm with you guys on this one. If the T is going to come screaming in to get a foul here, it better be an elephant. This was no elephant. The look on the L's face was, "dude, seriously?"

I have a DVR and I stopped it here before the announcers could announce anything. Played it a few times to try and guess what was going to get called. I thought if anything the V shot would be good, and then V would get the ball for the common foul by NC St. on the player between the NC St. player and the shooter. But then I thought, "this would be a very odd call for an emphatically closing trail official to make." Sure enough, he called the foul in the act of shooting.

About a minute later the same official called a travel on a V player in the paint. That was technically a good call, but there hadn't been too many of those types of calls in the game, and here we were with three minutes left. Hmmm

Between that call and the one before, Jay Wright almost lost it. If there hadn't been a chaplain on the bench, he just might have.

Probably not this official's finest few minutes. I think he got a little caught up in the emotion of the game. Been there, done that, and I get a little better every time I'm in that kind of scenario. And then I move up a level and the learning curve gets even steeper.

I called the travel from my couch. Absolutely the right call. Some people gotsta work real hard to rip on a crew when they get one right.

[hbk314]

This is probably an obvious question for most of you, but I just want to clarify:
-Team A has the ball and loses possession.
-The ball is loose.
-Loose ball ends up in a held ball.

If the arrow is for Team A, they get possession with the shot clock where it's at.
If the arrow is for Team B, they get possession with a new shot clock.

Is that correct?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by hbk314

This is probably an obvious question for most of you, but I just want to clarify:
-Team A has the ball and loses possession.
-The ball is loose.
-Loose ball ends up in a held ball.

If the arrow is for Team A, they get possession with the shot clock where it's at.
If the arrow is for Team B, they get possession with a new shot clock.

Is that correct?

It depends.

[hbk314]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

It depends.

Without knowing exactly how the rule works, I'd think that any use of the possession arrow coming from a held ball should result in a fresh shot clock for the team with the arrow in every circumstance. Based on the end of this game, that's obviously not the case.

I could potentially see keeping the shot clock where it's at in the case of a ball getting caught between the backboard and the rim.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

About a minute later the same official called a travel on a V player in the paint. That was technically a good call, but there hadn't been too many of those types of calls in the game, and here we were with three minutes left. Hmmm

Please re-evaluate your thinking on this. Just because no one had traveled in the first 37 minutes, you are going to let a player get away with breaking a basic rule, gaining an unfair advantage that leads to an easy bucket late in a close game?

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

Please re-evaluate your thinking on this. Just because no one had traveled in the first 37 minutes, you are going to let a player get away with breaking a basic rule, gaining an unfair advantage that leads to an easy bucket late in a close game?

Well hold on, that's not what I implied. I meant there had been several travels either passed on or not seen. For the sake of consistency (which I know you, as a coach, desire), I have to take this into consideration.

If it's the first time I see it or we've made a point of calling it the whole game, than yes, absolutely I have a travel here. And it was a travel; that I'm not denying.

[A Pennsylvania Coach]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Well hold on, that's not what I implied. I meant there had been several travels either passed on or not seen. For the sake of consistency (which I know you, as a coach, desire), I have to take this into consideration.

If it's the first time I see it or we've made a point of calling it the whole game, than yes, absolutely I have a travel here. And it was a travel; that I'm not denying.

I don't think any good official passeson many, if any, travels he or she sees (or I should say, recognizes as a travel.)

Also BTW, while I was a high school coach for 11 years, I've now been officiating for 8. I haven't posted here much in the last couple years so I imagine many who post now don't know that when I started reading and posting here, I was still coaching.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by A Pennsylvania Coach

I don't think any good official passeson many, if any, travels he or she sees (or I should say, recognizes as a travel.)

I have to disagree with this.

There HAS to have been a directive to NCAA officials regarding traveling. There are at least marginal travels on nearly every possession, particularly from players catching the ball going away from their basket. They can damn near do whatever they want to square themselves up.

And we may as well adopt the NBA's "2 step" rule because there are probably 10 plays a game that to me, are clear travels (and replays back me up), that are ignored. They aren't even commented on by most fans/announcers because they're so used to NBA-level moves. Spin moves to the basket, "Euro-steps", tucking the ball, etc. None of it gets called.

I HOPE that this isn't just officials being oblivious to what I consider quite obvious travels.