The Dayton no-call (video)

[youngump]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

While the defender is not perfectly vertical, and may even be outside his own verticality, you can't dismiss the fact that the shooter is clearly jumping into the defender to try and draw a foul. By calling a shooting foul here you're bailing out the shooter.

Also, if the shooter wasn't jumping into the defense to draw a foul, the contact wouldn't have happened in the first place, making the shooter at least partially at fault. Should his fault be pushed aside? I don't think so.

No call.

I'm fine with that analysis. Or at least fine enough not to wander into the weeds of it, but your at clear disagreement with a number of people on this board who say he was in his own vertical space.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by youngump

... your at clear disagreement with a number of people on this board who say he was in his own vertical space.

I didn't not say he was or wasn't vertical. I said that "while the defender is not perfectly vertical, and may even be outside his own verticality..."

[Rob1968]

It appears to me that the contact, caused by the shooter, is on the hand of the shooter which is holding the ball. There is not enough responsibility for illegal contact by the defender to call a foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by youngump

I'm fine with that analysis. Or at least fine enough not to wander into the weeds of it, but your at clear disagreement with a number of people on this board who say he was in his own vertical space.

Oh, the defender was not vertical. But I have the shooter moving forward into his stationary arm and creating contact with an unnatural shooting motion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

It appears to me that the contact, caused by the shooter, is on the hand of the shooter which is holding the ball. There is not enough responsibility for illegal contact by the defender to call a foul.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Oh, the defender was not vertical. But I have the shooter moving forward into his stationary arm and creating contact with an unnatural shooting motion.

And, the first point of contact appeared to be the defenders armpit area, not the arm that was over the shooter. Any contact with the lower arm was secondary at that point.