The Dayton no-call (video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by MOofficial

.... Oh to be a fly on the wall during that halftime debriefing.

Why? Do you think there is going to be some big argument over the play.

In all of my years of officiating I have only been in the locker room twice for some sort of major disturbance. One time it involved an official at halftime who was just a straight up a$$-hole. I let him ramble on without responding. In 2nd half his arrogant a$$ caused a correctable error situation, so karma got its revenge. The other time was after a game and involved 2 guys who I don't think like each other very much.

I'm always bewildered when folks make comments like there is going to be some sort of big argument in the locker room over a call. We're frickin' grown ups, we better be able to calmly and candidly discuss plays without personally attacking someone and without taking it personally.

[Camron Rust]

I agreed with the no call when it happened and upon replay. Defender did jump towards the shooter but landed and stopped before the shooter jumped into him. The shooter should have just shot the ball first and hoped for the foul second instead of playing for the foul by pretending to shoot.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agreed with the no call when it happened and upon replay. Defender did jump towards the shooter but landed and stopped before the shooter jumped into him. The shooter should have just shot the ball first and hoped for the foul second instead of playing for the foul by pretending to shoot.

I don't think the debate is about B1 spot on the floor because he clearly landed and stayed in that spot. The debate is about the contact with the arms. Was B1 vertical? Was there illegal contact from his right arm? Was A1 responsible for any such contact?

[JRutledge]

I have a no-call here. I felt that way last night and I can live with that when the shooter throws himself into the defender. I also think the defender landed and then basically was vertical. Again the benefit of the doubt in live time is going to the defender in this case.

Peace

[Bad Zebra]

No call when I saw it live and on the replay. Shooter lunges forward to try to manufacture a foul. Defender is slightly less than vertical (on the floor) but did not create the contact. I HATE when similar plays are rewarded with a foul.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Why? Do you think there is going to be some big argument over the play.

In all of my years of officiating I have only been in the locker room twice for some sort of major disturbance. One time it involved an official at halftime who was just a straight up a$$-hole. I let him ramble on without responding. In 2nd half his arrogant a$$ caused a correctable error situation, so karma got its revenge. The other time was after a game and involved 2 guys who I don't think like each other very much.

I'm always bewildered when folks make comments like there is going to be some sort of big argument in the locker room over a call. We're frickin' grown ups, we better be able to calmly and candidly discuss plays without personally attacking someone and without taking it personally.

Exactly. I had the same thing happen in a playoff game. I saw a bobble, gave a bobble signal, partner called a travel.

Made me realize I probably shouldn't have given the signal, cause I'm not going in and arguing an inadvertent whistle there as I didn't know if there was something else I didn't see.

But even if I had disagreed, there'd be no strange blowup at halftime. That has never happened in 28 years, although I've been involved in one post-game thing.

[OKREF]

I thought this was a great no call.

[CNYREF]

This is not a foul. Not a foul in 1st half or end of game. That wouldve been a travesty if it was called. IMO

[SCalScoreKeeper]

that would've been a horrible foul call.easiest no call that official had all year I'd bet.

[ColeTops25]

I watched almost all of this game. I languished threw Doug Gottlieb's constant harassment of "Higgins and his crew", and the idea that the crew was calling too many fouls, and not letting the kids play. This was a consistent theme from Mr. Gottleib throughout the game. What do you suppose his comment was after this play? "Ion, that is a foul in any gym in America!" Classic.

[SCalScoreKeeper]

That crew did an excellent job I thought.They called what needed to get called,handled their coaches pretty well and it's just a shame when announcers get all over officials like that.I'd like to see Doug put on a whistle for awhile and see how much he enjoys it lol.

[Adam]

I don't think it was a foul that should be called at any point in the game, but I wouldn't have called it a travesty if it had been called.

[OKREF]

Originally Posted by ColeTops25

I watched almost all of this game. I languished threw Doug Gottlieb's constant harassment of "Higgins and his crew", and the idea that the crew was calling too many fouls, and not letting the kids play. This was a consistent theme from Mr. Gottleib throughout the game. What do you suppose his comment was after this play? "Ion, that is a foul in any gym in America!" Classic.

What he said was this kind of play has been called a foul all year. He then said he didn't think it should be called a foul, but was being called a foul all year. I do agree with him about that. I've seen this play called a foul. Last year in the tournament Stephen F. Austin was the benefactor of a similar play that was called a foul and got a 4 point play. Not exactly the same but similar.

Originally Posted by OKREF

What he said was this kind of play has been called a foul all year. He then said he didn't think it should be called a foul, but was being called a foul all year. I do agree with him about that. I've seen this play called a foul. Last year in the tournament Stephen F. Austin was the benefactor of a similar play that was called a foul and got a 4 point play. Not exactly the same but similar.

This play was called a foul all year when it was early in the game and not down 1 point with the final shot. Whether Doug likes it or not, our threshold for fouls does go up a bit in situations like this. For that play to be a foul, the foul almost has to call itself.