NCAA Women's Tournament Officials

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Don't get me wrong, they are denied. But often they know this going in and quickly get over it and move on to the other level if they have the opportunity. They leave the high school level behind very quickly. I never would suggest that they were given an equal opportunity on the boy's side of the isle.

That's true, all of the good female officials (the ones who want to move up anyway) move up right away and don't stick around long enough to get BV games.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by AremRed

That's true, all of the good female officials (the ones who want to move up anyway) move up right away and don't stick around long enough to get BV games.

In the past, it certainly was true that the good female officials moved on to college and gave up HS before they could move to boys HS but, to be fair, many good male officials in our area also moved up somewhat slowly too. The pipeline just moved slowly.

However, that is no longer the case in our organization. Good officials, both male and female, can move up more quickly now.

We just had a relatively junior female official (about 4-5 years experience but VERY good) that gets a strong mix of boys varsity games get selected to work the Oregon Boys 5A state championship game.

What may have been true in the past is just no longer the case. Qualified officials advance quickly. Maybe this achievement will stop the unqualified females from claiming they are not moving up because they're female.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Well, here in good ole VA, I have seen at least 3 good female officials get denied boys HS games, while some horrible, and I mean horrible, male officials get top of the line games.

What I do know, is that if the conversation were about blacks not getting certain assignments, the phrase "race card" would have jumped off a couple folks keyboards real quick. What makes complaining about a lack of males getting certain assignments any different than a lack of blacks getting certain assignments?

To me it's playing the "gender card".

All true, and the NCAAW assignors doing the reverse isn't proper either.
I've seen some quality male officials denied spots in favor of females who "can be trained or developed."
It is very obvious that a single criterion was the determining factor.

[JRutledge]

I think it is even worse on the Women's side because there seems to be not only an issue of gender, but what you identify yourself as too. Because it does not seem that the powers that be and what they claim to be is not in the complete background and who ends up getting assignments. I think there is something wrong when the same person works the title game over and over and over again. One of the officials on the Men's side worked the Championship game two years in a row and people thought that was out of line. But to have a certain official on this side work every year, there is something not right. There has to be someone else available or that deserves a chance at some point. And this kind of politics is one reason I never wanted to work Women's basketball. That distinction was obvious way back when I would go to those NCAA Meetings in Chicago in the early 2000s.

Peace

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think it is even worse on the Women's side because there seems to be not only an issue of gender, but what you identify yourself as too. Because it does not seem that the powers that be and what they claim to be is not in the complete background and who ends up getting assignments. I think there is something wrong when the same person works the title game over and over and over again. One of the officials on the Men's side worked the Championship game two years in a row and people thought that was out of line. But to have a certain official on this side work every year, there is something not right. There has to be someone else available or that deserves a chance at some point. And this kind of politics is one reason I never wanted to work Women's basketball. That distinction was obvious way back when I would go to those NCAA Meetings in Chicago in the early 2000s.

Peace

I'm almost afraid to ask, but...please clarify...?

[Zoochy]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

One of the problems with this who is assigned, is female officials often get college opportunities they would never get at the same rate on any other level. There was a female officials that worked the McDonald's All-American game this past year that only had like 3 or 4 years total officiating experience. There is hardly any such equivalent on the Men's side regardless of gender. And when a female officials is snatched up, they are given a full schedule of college. Heck I would rather work for $160 or more on a regular basis too, instead of working for $60 in a similarly packed gym.

It is also very rare that female officials get assigned the boy's side, but heck they hardly do high school anyway if they are moved as fast as they often are moved.

Peace

Are you talking about Natalie S.?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

Are you talking about Natalie S.?

Not sure of her name, but I read a report and was told something about one of the officials. I know one the officials very well and her husband worked the boys game that night too.

Peace

[Zoochy]

I did not see the game, but a female from our area worked the McDonald's All American game in Chicago.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

I did not see the game, but a female from our area worked the McDonald's All American game in Chicago.

I would have to look back at posts, but all I know is she was the other white female on the game I believe. I did not know the African-American woman but the other official is my friend.

Peace