Controversial end to Oregon Tournament Game

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

It's sad that anyone would try to defend 2-man as anything but the dinosaur that it is.

Who's to say that in a 3-man game that wouldn't have been the C opposite?

I agree that 3-person may have improved the odds of getting the call right in many games (and we do need 3-person on these). However, the location of the throw-in in the backcourt would have still had the T opposite....so it still would have been the T's call. The T would have had to ask for input on the call....something he could have done in 2-person too. If it is his call (it was and would have been with 3-person too) and he sells the call without asking for help, what could the C do?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I agree that 3-person may have improved the odds of getting the call right in many games (and we do need 3-person on these). However, the location of the throw-in in the backcourt would have still had the T opposite....so it still would have been the T's call. The T would have had to ask for input on the call....something he could have done in 2-person too. If it is his call (it was and would have been with 3-person too) and he sells the call without asking for help, what could the C do?

That would depend upon which official is the R.

[Raymond]

This is a play that deserves a sell job.

If the shot is not going to count we should be hearing a whistle from the Trail BEFORE the ball is going through the hoop.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

This is a play that deserves a sell job.

If the shot is not going to count we should be hearing a whistle from the Trail BEFORE the ball is going through the hoop.

A. Totally disagree with your first statement.
B. While your second statement is the proper procedure, it would be hard to blow the whistle at that point in this video since the horn hadn't sounded yet.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

A. Totally disagree with your first statement.
B. While your second statement is the proper procedure, it would be hard to blow the whistle at that point in this video since the horn hadn't sounded yet.

If a shot is not going to count, the ball should still be in the player's hand or just released, when the whistle sounds. The first whistle to disallow a shot shouldn't come after the ball has gone through the basket.

[IUgrad92]

Give a solid whistle at the time the horn goes, then mark the position of the ball on the whistle. I have a problem when partners don't give a whistle on a last second shot until the shot is over (missed or made), as it gives the appearance that an official could be making the decision (count it/don't count it) at the time the shot is made.

Anything close like this play, why would you NOT get with your partner or partners?? What are the negatives in doing so? To me, it only looks better when the crew comes together and at least gives the appearance that the call made was in agreement with the crew.

[Bad Zebra]

As I've posted in the past...this situation illustrates the need for a specific mechanic to end a period (at least for HS). Nowhere in the FED rule book, case book, or Officials' Manual does it indicate how a whistle should be used to end the period. Thus, everybody does it differently. There is no consistency among states, associations...sometimes no consistency within a crew. Debates occur every year as one of these tight games always seems to happen near the end of the season. Video replay is addressed for state tournaments...but not the use of the whistle. Always find that curious.

[StripedYooper]

Originally Posted by IUgrad92

Give a solid whistle at the time the horn goes, then mark the position of the ball on the whistle. I have a problem when partners don't give a whistle on a last second shot until the shot is over (missed or made), as it gives the appearance that an official could be making the decision (count it/don't count it) at the time the shot is made.

Anything close like this play, why would you NOT get with your partner or partners?? What are the negatives in doing so? To me, it only looks better when the crew comes together and at least gives the appearance that the call made was in agreement with the crew.

The whistle should be blown at the end of the quarter. However the quarter doesn't end until a shot attempt ends. While the ball is in the air there shouldn't be a whistle. Blowing it at the sound of the horn is not correct. Rule 6.7.5 exception a.