The Official Forum

The Official Forum (https://forum.officiating.com/)
-   Basketball (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/)
-   -   Oklahoma/Iowa State Act of Shooting? (Video) (https://forum.officiating.com/basketball/99426-oklahoma-iowa-state-act-shooting-video.html)

bballref3966 Mon Mar 02, 2015 09:38pm

Oklahoma/Iowa State Act of Shooting? (Video)
 
Somewhere between 5:10 and 5:20 in the first half on ESPN. Iowa State fouls late in the shot clock, ball was awarded OOB.

APG Tue Mar 03, 2015 12:49am

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/yz59OdztHNo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:14am

no shot

MechanicGuy Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:16am

Given the shot clock was nearing 0, I think that in the act of shooting.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 956749)
Given the shot clock was nearing 0, I think that in the act of shooting.


I don't see bailing him out just because the team allowed the shot clock to run out.

APG Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:19am

I think the only question under NCAA-M rules is whether you think the shooter has started his upward motion. I think it's close, but I would have given the shooter the benefit of the doubt here. Any other rule set, I have the shooter easily in the act of shooting.

APG Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:23am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 956749)
Given the shot clock was nearing 0, I think that in the act of shooting.

Absolutely...the shot clock is about to expire. 999/1000 times, if that player is rising, he's doing so to try and beat the shot clock. One of the things thought at levels using the shot clock regularly is that you should use the shot clock as a way to keen in on your game awareness as to what will most likely happen next.

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956751)
I don't see bailing him out just because the team allowed the shot clock to run out.

You're bailing out the defender for being stupid and having his hand in the proverbial cookie jar with a second left on the shot clock...instead of being punished completely by putting a guy on the line, putting this sideout gives the defender a virtual mulligan. Using the shot clock to dictate your game awareness in this situation, it should be clear that the offensive player is meaning the shoot here. The only fallback one could have, under NCAA-M rules, is perhaps the offensive player was fouled a split second before he started his upward motion. That would be the calling official's only cop out.

The defender is going to feel a sigh of relief that he didn't commit a cardinal sin of bailing out an offensive player....especially with under two on the shot clock.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:26am

The guy had lost control of the ball, and if you don't think he lost control then he committed an illegal dribble. He barely had regained control when the foul occurred. I don't see a try here.

APG Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956754)
The guy had lost control of the ball, and if you don't think he lost control then he committed an illegal dribble. He barely had regained control when the foul occurred. I don't see a try here.

He momentarily loses control of the ball (via probably the defender hitting the ball...not that it actually even matters in this case)...regathers the ball with two hands on the ball...starts to rise...then gets hit on the forearm...which causes him to lose the ball again.

Rich Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by apg (Post 956755)
he momentarily loses control of the ball (via probably the defender hitting the ball...not that it actually even matters in this case)...regathers the ball with two hands on the ball...starts to rise...then gets hit on the forearm...which causes him to lose the ball again.

+1.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 01:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by APG (Post 956755)
He momentarily loses control of the ball (via probably the defender hitting the ball...not that it actually even matters in this case)...regathers the ball with two hands on the ball...starts to rise...then gets hit on the forearm...which causes him to lose the ball again.

I see a slightly different sequence. Defender lunges forward while the ball is loose. Contact occurs as control is recovered, before any upward movement that I could see as a shot.

AremRed Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:08am

Shooting foul. Clock is almost at 0, he isn't doing anything else.

just another ref Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 956762)
Shooting foul. Clock is almost at 0, he isn't doing anything else.

Offensive players have been known to lose track of the clock.

AremRed Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 956765)
Offensive players have been known to lose track of the clock.

So? It's pretty clear he hasn't lost track of the clock here.

Camron Rust Tue Mar 03, 2015 03:38am

I'm putting him on the line.

Plus, if I'm the official in the video, I'm contacting my neurologist to see why my whistle and arm seem to have an echo. What is with the multiple whistle and fist pump? It looks silly. It wasn't like it was in a double coverage area where it was possible his partner was going to have something different.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:07am.



Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.3.0 RC1