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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 07:01am
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Quick on the T?

Orange #5 defending the inbounder.
#51 white blows the layup and fouls #5 orange as #5 orange gets the rebound. After the whistle, #5 orange is T'd up for throwing an elbow by the foul calling official.
Clean game overall, nothing chippy before or after.

Not trying to be biased because I coach orange. But I didn't see anything T worthy. But because I respect the forum members here, I will change my mind if you guys think otherwise!

The video operator cut off the camera after the initial foul whistle.

6 second video link below

http://youtu.be/FOZRszGANzY


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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 08:38am
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that elbow looks like it has some intent to it. You had a clean game up until that point, and I would imagine it stayed that way. If that elbow connects, you are going to have big problems. Its hard to say when its not in full context, and I'm not saying I would have called it, but it looks like a T can be justified there.
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Looks like he is just snatching the ball away. Not T-worthy in and of itself, but I do not know what the game was like or what had happened previously.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 09:08am
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I'm with ballgame99. There certainly appeared to be justification for the call. Not sure what I would have called, but the official closest to the action would have had a better feel for the situation and the player's demeanor.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 09:47am
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Out of curiosity, was it the L or the C who called the T?
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 09:50am
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C called the foul and kept moving in and issued the T.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 09:56am
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just from that clip i dont see it. but it's tough to comment with such little context.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 10:01am
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Fair enough... from the C's angle, it certainly looks like one of those "oh sh-t, I better get this before there's a retaliation" moments.

A very similar situation happened to me in my game on Friday night... about 45 seconds left, 18-point game. Push in the back by B5 on a rebound, ball ends up being rebounded by B11. After my whistle for B5's push, B11 makes a very similar move as was in your video, and makes some very slight forearm-to-chin contact with A34 (I don't think it was intentional in the sense of "B11 meant to do it"). A34 then gives B11 a shove.

Had I not gotten the double-technical there, the end of the game would've been significantly worse. As it was, I reported three fouls, I talked to both coaches, we shot two free throws for B5's foul (A was in the bonus), and the game ended without further incident.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 10:30am
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That's not even a "T" during "play time" in a kindergarten class!
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 10:33am
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Looks like he is just snatching the ball away. Not T-worthy in and of itself, but I do not know what the game was like or what had happened previously.
Agree with this. Elbows aren't really extended or directed at anyone in my opinion.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 12:15pm
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Looks like he is just snatching the ball away. Not T-worthy in and of itself, but I do not know what the game was like or what had happened previously.
This is what I see as well. Seems to me the lead is in a better position to get anything extracurricular here.

There's no need for the snatch-and-grab here, though, so it's not the worst T I've ever seen.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 12:43pm
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I do not have a T here.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 03:13pm
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No T. His elbow is not extended, but rather his arms are wrapped around the ball. Elbow has to be somewhere.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2015, 03:26pm
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that elbow looks like it has some intent to it. You had a clean game up until that point, and I would imagine it stayed that way. If that elbow connects, you are going to have big problems. Its hard to say when its not in full context, and I'm not saying I would have called it, but it looks like a T can be justified there.
I was originally thinking "then call a violation for excessive swinging if you don't call a T," but I guess this happens dead ball, so it's either a T or nothing. Tough to give an absolute answer from this angle, but if I'm the C who made the call? I'm passing and if my partner picks it up, great.
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I think this is really a perspective thing. If you think that this rip was part of the play and began or exists because of a natural basketball play then you could have an excessive swinging or even nothing.

Now if you see it as the player, heard the whistle and once the play was dead chooses to rip and swing un necessarily . . . if you are going to call something it has to a be a T.

In a game with nothing else I would be most likely to respond with an "easy fellas" and talk to players involved then watch for anything else hoping its a blip.
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