Vanderbilt vs Tennessee - PC/RA call (Video)

MechanicGuy

4:02 remaining in 2nd half

I believe it aired on ESPN, possibly ESPN2

It was a tough call made tougher by the fact that the defender didn't fall

(I know that isn't necessary, but it makes the play LOOK much different than many PC calls)

Plus, he was VERY close to the RA, though I'm not sure any shot showed this clearly

Nevadaref

I was going to post a request for this same play.
It will make a nice instructional video.
I believe that the charging call was correct.

MechanicGuy

Nevadaref wrote
I was going to post a request for this same play.
It will make a nice instructional video.
I believe that the charging call was correct.

It was either a PC or a no-call.

I can make a case for either, though live I thought there was enough contact for the PC

...assuming he was outside the RA.

APG

Nevadaref

Very close.
The defender does reach his spot in time, but his left heel seems to be barely touching the RA. To determine this, I paused the video and took a still pic, then enlarged it. That's how close this was.

bob jenkins

Nevadaref wrote
Very close.
The defender does reach his spot in time, but his left heel seems to be barely touching the RA. To determine this, I paused the video and took a still pic, then enlarged it. That's how close this was.

I *think* the rule-of-thumb is "when in doubt, he's out."

So, charge is the right call.

Raymond

I actively talk to myself to get the secondary defender's feet on these plays. Left heel was on the arc, so it should have been a block.

twocentsworth

MechanicGuy wrote
4:02 remaining in 2nd half

It was a tough call made tougher by the fact that the defender didn't fall

(I know that isn't necessary, but it makes the play LOOK much different than many PC calls)

Among other criteria, think "displacement" rather than defender falling.....

In live action, the Lead got it right.

Remington

Above=On/In the RA. His heel certainly looks to be elevated above the RA. That said, it's a real tough call and a tough one for the C to get as he has players cutting past him as the contact happens.

jeremy341a

I think his heel is over the RA also however it is so close I can see why it was missed. As the to the amount of contact. I feel there is more than enough contact and displacement to warrant a PC call.

JRutledge

I see the foot over the RA, but I can see easily what this was missed in real time.

Peace

griblets

I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?

jeremy341a

griblets wrote
I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?

I do not like the RA either. I feel it was put in for entertainment value only.

bob jenkins

griblets wrote
I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?

I think at the time it was specifically said "to increase offense"

APG

The rationale is that they don't want secondary defenders just running to a spot so near to the basket and not try and "play" some type of defense. When I say play, I mean try and make some play on the ball....because the rules allow a player to try and block the shot.

I'm a fan of the RA...and that's coming from a guy that wouldn't benefit from an RA at the HS level.

Pantherdreams

APG wrote
The rationale is that they don't want secondary defenders just running to a spot so near to the basket and not try and "play" some type of defense. When I say play, I mean try and make some play on the ball....because the rules allow a player to try and block the shot.

I'm a fan of the RA...and that's coming from a guy that wouldn't benefit from an RA at the HS level.

It was sold to us when FIBA made is as a safety issue and to increase offense. They wanted offensive players to be willing to try to make athletic plays to the rim without being worried about being undercut or losing landing areas to late defenders.

I guess in theory what they expected to happen was players who couldn't get outside the RA in time would just get out of the way. I have personally seen 0 reduction in collisions in the paint, but that may simply be because other then University or elite level club ball they don't use it here. So often kids aren't familiar enough eith it to apply it properly anyway.

Raymond

griblets wrote
I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?

You basically answered you own question. Coaches/ADs/Conference Commissioners comprise the rules committee.

zm1283

With halftime scores in the teens/20's of D1 games, college basketball could use some more NBA rules in the book.

MechanicGuy

zm1283 wrote
With halftime scores in the teens/20's of D1 games, college basketball could use some more NBA rules in the book.

More NBA players would help too 😀