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MechanicGuy Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:09pm

Vanderbilt vs Tennessee - PC/RA call (Video)
 
4:02 remaining in 2nd half

I believe it aired on ESPN, possibly ESPN2

It was a tough call made tougher by the fact that the defender didn't fall

(I know that isn't necessary, but it makes the play LOOK much different than many PC calls)

Plus, he was VERY close to the RA, though I'm not sure any shot showed this clearly

Nevadaref Thu Feb 26, 2015 10:43pm

I was going to post a request for this same play.
It will make a nice instructional video.
I believe that the charging call was correct.

MechanicGuy Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 956270)
I was going to post a request for this same play.
It will make a nice instructional video.
I believe that the charging call was correct.

It was either a PC or a no-call.

I can make a case for either, though live I thought there was enough contact for the PC

...assuming he was outside the RA.

APG Fri Feb 27, 2015 01:58am

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Nevadaref Fri Feb 27, 2015 02:29am

Very close.
The defender does reach his spot in time, but his left heel seems to be barely touching the RA. To determine this, I paused the video and took a still pic, then enlarged it. That's how close this was.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 27, 2015 08:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 956279)
Very close.
The defender does reach his spot in time, but his left heel seems to be barely touching the RA. To determine this, I paused the video and took a still pic, then enlarged it. That's how close this was.

I *think* the rule-of-thumb is "when in doubt, he's out."

So, charge is the right call.

Raymond Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:19am

I actively talk to myself to get the secondary defender's feet on these plays. Left heel was on the arc, so it should have been a block.

twocentsworth Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by MechanicGuy (Post 956266)
4:02 remaining in 2nd half

It was a tough call made tougher by the fact that the defender didn't fall

(I know that isn't necessary, but it makes the play LOOK much different than many PC calls)

Among other criteria, think "displacement" rather than defender falling.....

In live action, the Lead got it right.

Remington Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:29am

Above=On/In the RA. His heel certainly looks to be elevated above the RA. That said, it's a real tough call and a tough one for the C to get as he has players cutting past him as the contact happens.

jeremy341a Fri Feb 27, 2015 11:50am

I think his heel is over the RA also however it is so close I can see why it was missed. As the to the amount of contact. I feel there is more than enough contact and displacement to warrant a PC call.

JRutledge Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:05pm

I see the foot over the RA, but I can see easily what this was missed in real time.

Peace

griblets Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:05pm

RA question
 
I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?

jeremy341a Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:18pm

you are not the only one.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by griblets (Post 956321)
I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?


I do not like the RA either. I feel it was put in for entertainment value only.

bob jenkins Fri Feb 27, 2015 12:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by griblets (Post 956321)
I hope I don't take this too far off topic...

I spent 16 years away from officiating (HS and JUCO) before returning this season. When I was trained as a young official, there was no RA at any level, yet the college guys would teach to not call a charge under the basket. The reasoning was "the defender isn't guarding anything." I didn't like it then and I don't like it now. If a defender establishes position near the basket, he can keep the offensive player from dunking or laying the ball in and force a more difficult shot. The RA seems to cater to the fans' desire to watch highlight dunks and takes away a defender's ability to guard the basket.

Can someone fill me in on the rationale behind creating the RA in NCAA?

I think at the time it was specifically said "to increase offense"

APG Fri Feb 27, 2015 01:49pm

The rationale is that they don't want secondary defenders just running to a spot so near to the basket and not try and "play" some type of defense. When I say play, I mean try and make some play on the ball....because the rules allow a player to try and block the shot.

I'm a fan of the RA...and that's coming from a guy that wouldn't benefit from an RA at the HS level.


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