Use your mulligan?

[BillyMac]

Just flip a damn coin, or give the ball to the visitors.

(I can't wait until Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wakes up from his pre-lunch nap, and reads this.)

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Just flip a damn coin, or give the ball to the visitors.

(I can't wait until Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. wakes up from his pre-lunch nap, and reads this.)

Yuck. Would it change the game? Not really. But it is, in my view, a nice traditional piece. (Of course, I think we should abolish the playground rule otherwise known as the AParrow . . . .) At the start of the game, I agree it really doesn't matter. In OT -- especially at younger levels with shorter OTs -- that tip can matter an awful lot and I'd really hate to see that go to a coin flip.

(And perhaps I'm also biased at the moment because my son is an effective jumper on jump balls, and an effective jump ball play has led to layups in about half their games.)

[Rich]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

Yuck. Would it change the game? Not really. But it is, in my view, a nice traditional piece. (Of course, I think we should abolish the playground rule otherwise known as the AParrow . . . .) At the start of the game, I agree it really doesn't matter. In OT -- especially at younger levels with shorter OTs -- that tip can matter an awful lot and I'd really hate to see that go to a coin flip.

(And perhaps I'm also biased at the moment because my son is an effective jumper on jump balls, and an effective jump ball play has led to layups in about half their games.)

So 80% of the time the ball goes to the team with the tallest center. Idiotic way to start a game.

[scrounge]

I wouldn't mind going to a coin flip, if only to give some meaning to otherwise near-useless captain's meeting. And to FINALLY have a reason for all my partners who still insist on asking who the 'speaking captain' is.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by scrounge

And to FINALLY have a reason for all my partners who still insist on asking who the 'speaking captain' is.

Good point. We can't have all three tri-captains stating heads, or tails, at the same time.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by scrounge

I wouldn't mind going to a coin flip, if only to give some meaning to otherwise near-useless captain's meeting. And to FINALLY have a reason for all my partners who still insist on asking who the 'speaking captain' is.

Doesn't help. We have the coin toss in soccer and when you ask for who's calling it all you get are blank stares.

Originally Posted by scrounge

I wouldn't mind going to a coin flip, if only to give some meaning to otherwise near-useless captain's meeting. And to FINALLY have a reason for all my partners who still insist on asking who the 'speaking captain' is.

Near-useless captains meeting?? When else are you going to tell them to play the black lines all around, keep the hands off, listen cuz we are trying to talk you out of stuff, etc.???

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Going back to the OP.

The Game Clock starts when the Toss is touched by either jumper, and we do not reset the game clock if the ball is tossed and we then blow the ball dead for the bad toss.

I had a mulligan in the 1983-84 season (I remember because the "better half" and I only lived in LA from 1982 to 1984.) and we jumped all held balls (we only had two-person crews back then). I was going to toss the ball for a jump ball at Team A's free throw circle when I did not make a very good toss and I knew it. B1 tapped the ball toward her team's basket and because of my poor toss Team B was going to have a easy layup. I had trouble grabbing my whistle to blow the play dead and re-toss the ball and without thinking I yelled: "WAIT A MINUTE!!" My partner sensed I wanted to bring the ball back and whistled the ball dead. We all laughed: partner, players, and coaches. I re-tossed the ball and Team B got the ball off of the tip.

MTD, Sr.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The Game Clock starts when the Toss is touched by either jumper, and we do not reset the game clock if the ball is tossed and we then blow the ball dead for the bad toss.

Not quite. Almost only counts in horseshoes, and hand grenades.

5-9-2: If play is started or resumed by a jump, the clock shall be started when the tossed ball is legally touched.

If you're retossing for a bad toss, then you would be correct to not reset the game clock if the ball was legally touched.

If you call a violation because the ball was legally touched, and subsequently illegally caught by one of the jumpers, then you would be correct to not reset the game clock because the ball was legally touched.

However, if you call a violation because the ball was touched by a jumper on the way up, that's an illegal touch, and the game clock should be reset to 8:00 if the timekeeper had erroneously started the game clock.

Just flip a damn coin, or give the ball to the visitors. It'll save a lot of aggravation.