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Jesse James Sat Feb 21, 2015 07:49pm

Use your mulligan?
 
Boys varsity game last night--insert the didn't care who won disclaimer--tied after regulation. Jump ball to start overtime is tossed really poorly, way off center toward H jumper. I'm not certain V could have gotten a hand on it had he been in the circle by himself. U's really had no reason to blow it dead, as they had no angle, and no one violated. So it was a play on.

My question is, if you're the R, and you know it's a lousy toss to start ot--do you kill the play (and possession) with a late whistle (as it's not in your mouth on the toss) and reset clock and re-jump? Or play on?

There was no question how bad the toss was. V coach certainly addressed it immediately, and he and R discussed it (civilly) between the first and second ot. Toss to start second ot was bad also, but not as egregious. To start ot 3, R opted to sub out and let U1 do the honors. Good move.

Mark Padgett Sat Feb 21, 2015 07:58pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 955703)
To start ot 3...

Are you trying to kill me?

BryanV21 Sat Feb 21, 2015 09:49pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 955703)
Boys varsity game last night--insert the didn't care who won disclaimer--tied after regulation. Jump ball to start overtime is tossed really poorly, way off center toward H jumper. I'm not certain V could have gotten a hand on it had he been in the circle by himself. U's really had no reason to blow it dead, as they had no angle, and no one violated. So it was a play on.

My question is, if you're the R, and you know it's a lousy toss to start ot--do you kill the play (and possession) with a late whistle (as it's not in your mouth on the toss) and reset clock and re-jump? Or play on?

There was no question how bad the toss was. V coach certainly addressed it immediately, and he and R discussed it (civilly) between the first and second ot. Toss to start second ot was bad also, but not as egregious. To start ot 3, R opted to sub out and let U1 do the honors. Good move.

I'm confused... why did the U1 (the one responsible for watching the tossed ball) not have a good enough angle on a jump ball?

If I had definite knowledge that the toss was bad, and my partners did nothing, then I'd blow it back.

Jesse James Sat Feb 21, 2015 10:41pm

He may have been a little deep cheating toward the endline, but I'd have to see it again to say for certain.

It's not a bad vantage point to see a stolen tip--but not the greatest for blowing back a lopsided toss.

Thumper68 Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:13pm

I have certainly blow back my own bad toss. I would do it again in a heart beat.

Nevadaref Sat Feb 21, 2015 11:40pm

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Originally Posted by Jesse James (Post 955703)
Toss to start second ot was bad also, but not as egregious. To start ot 3, R opted to sub out and let U1 do the honors. Good move.

I agree with going to the bullpen to bring in the lefty!

crosscountry55 Sun Feb 22, 2015 07:53am

A few years ago I worked on a toss where I just popped the ball up starting at my eye level. I simply could not perfect it. So I shifted to a hesitation toss where I dribble between the jumpers 1-3 times and then lift the toss starting at waist level. It's a lot more consistent, but probably not as safe from an injury prevention standpoint.

I digress. Despite my more consistent toss, I was working some youth games last weekend where I could not throw the ball within +/- 10° of vertical to save my life. It was all over the place. So my sympathies to the R in the OP; there are days like those.

Rich Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:28am

I threw a bad one up last week. Neither partner blew it back. I should've, probably, but didn't.

I told the offended coach he'd get the next 2 out of 3.

(No, I didn't do this. We did have a laugh over it, though.)

First one I would've liked back in a few years. It happens.

johnny d Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:38am

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Originally Posted by Thumper68 (Post 955730)
I have certainly blow back my own bad toss. I would do it again in a heart beat.

I do not have the ability to call back my own toss if it is bad, I remove my whistle from my mouth before I toss the ball.

Rich Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:53am

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 955791)
I do not have the ability to call back my own toss if it is bad, I remove my whistle from my mouth before I toss the ball.

And it would take such effort to put whistle back in mouth and blow. :)

bballref3966 Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:56am

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 955791)
I do not have the ability to call back my own toss if it is bad, I remove my whistle from my mouth before I toss the ball.

So does (hopefully) every official. ;)

johnny d Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:11am

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 955793)
And it would take such effort to put whistle back in mouth and blow. :)

It does, and by the time I done so, we are not stopping the game and starting over. Either one of my partners are going to call the toss back, or we are playing on.

johnny d Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:13am

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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 955795)
So does (hopefully) every official. ;)


Every season I see more of my partners than I would expect not do so.

BillyMac Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:13am

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Originally Posted by bballref3966 (Post 955795)
So does (hopefully) every official.

Not me. It's the best part of being the referee tosser. I let the umpire make all the calls for the rest of the first period. I also let the umpire (two person Connecticut) run from lead to lead while I stand back at the trail for the entire game. Switches? We ain't got no switches. We don't need no switches. I don't have to show you any stinkin' switches (with apologies to Gold Hat).

Rich Sun Feb 22, 2015 11:16am

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 955798)
It does, and by the time I done so, we are not stopping the game and starting over. Either one of my partners are going to call the toss back, or we are playing on.

I get this -- it's the main reason why I didn't blow mine back.

I could've, but it was good enough for U1/U2 and the ball was already in the front court in the possession of a team, and it's just not that big of a deal.


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