Illinois vs Michigan State Foul On Free Thrower (Video)

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

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However, having reread your proposed play, I think you're probably right on that one. I still think you're overreaching on the OP.

In the OP, if he initiates the contact AFTER the ball is dead, I'm calling a T. There would be no reason for such contact being initiated after the ball goes through the hoop.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

In the OP, if he initiates the contact AFTER the ball is dead, I'm calling a T. There would be no reason for such contact being initiated after the ball goes through the hoop.

And I think if he hasn't had a chance to react to the ball becoming dead, you're overreaching. And that, IMHO, is the case in the OP.

As to your reasoning, I'll take your word on it. That's not how it originally appeared to me.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

And I think if he hasn't had a chance to react to the ball becoming dead, you're overreaching. And that, IMHO, is the case in the OP.

As to your reasoning, I'll take your word on it. That's not how it originally appeared to me.

How would he not have time to react? He can begin his box out when A1 releases the throw. If he is waiting until after the ball is dead you are giving him way too much benefit of the doubt.

What you call "overreaching", I call dead ball officiating and not allowing players to test the line. In my games, that type of dead ball play will only happen once. In fact, in my captains' meetings I tell them there is no reason to knock the free throw shooter off the line, so don't start that mess.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

How would he not have time to react? He can begin his box out when A1 releases the throw. If he is waiting until after the ball is dead you are giving him way too much benefit of the doubt.

What you call "overreaching", I call dead ball officiating and not allowing players to test the line. In my games, that type of dead ball play will only happen once. In fact, in my captains' meetings I tell them there is no reason to knock the free throw shooter off the line, so don't start that mess.

At this point, I'd forgotten that the OP was actually a live ball foul.

If a player has enough time to realize the ball is dead and gets him anyways, go ahead and T him. (I'd generally read the riot act first, but you're not wrong to skip that part.) If it happens so close to the ball becoming dead that the player cannot reasonably be expected to stop and the contact is the result of a normal basketball play, i.e. not an intentional or technical in its own right, it should be ignored.

Are you suggesting that any contact after the whistle is a technical?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Eastshire

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Are you suggesting that any contact after the whistle is a technical?

No I'm not. But I am suggesting that some contact initiated after the ball is dead would be a technical even if that same contact would be a common foul during a live ball. That was the main thrust of my input to this thread.

[Eastshire]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

No I'm not. But I am suggesting that some contact initiated after the ball is dead would be a technical even if that same contact would be a common foul during a live ball. That was the main thrust of my input to this thread.

Contact which may not be excessive during a live ball may be excessive in a dead ball?

I can agree with that.