Basketball game ends, 2-0

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

Maybe get a shot clock . . .

Other then that we have to live with this stuff.

A solution in search of a problem. These games make the news because they're rare.

[Rich]

There are crappy coaches everywhere. This game brought together two of them, obviously.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by Rich

There are crappy coaches everywhere. This game brought together two of them, obviously.

What intrigues me is that two teams were doing this. Typically this is a stratedy used by a team that doesn't think it can compete at full speed. Really, really slowing down the game can frustrate the other team. Often after playing defense for 2 minutes, the team that is used to scoring a lot cranks up a crappy shot because they are frustrated.

As I recall, a game not too dissimilar to this was the straw that broke the camel's back for the NBA to insitute a shot clock. I want to say it was a multiple overtime game that ended something like 16-12 -- with only one shot taken each of the fist couple of OT periods, as the team that won the tip in the first couple of OTs held on to take buzzer shots. Tough to sell a product like that!

[Hugh Refner]

I think a 2-0 game worked out the way Dr. Naismith intended it to.

[bob jenkins]

After the first quarter, I *might* be asking the coaches if they want to shorten each quarter to something less than 8 minutes.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

After the first quarter, I *might* be asking the coaches if they want to shorten each quarter to something less than 8 minutes.

like 30 seconds.

[Altor]

Originally Posted by Rich

There are crappy coaches everywhere. This game brought together two of them, obviously.

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

What intrigues me is that two teams were doing this.

Originally Posted by link in OP

Bibb County improved its record to 22-9, and Brookwood dropped to 19-9.

Perhaps 30+ games in a season, including 4 in one week is too much for 16-year-olds?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Adam

A solution in search of a problem. These games make the news because they're rare.

And the flip side of the problem is that in states that use the shot clock we end up with really lop-sided scores because the teams have to keep shooting every 30/35 seconds.

Didn't we just have a huge discussion about a game like that?

[Valley Man]

"If we score we might win … if they don't score we will win"

[Pantherdreams]

I get that as an official shot clock is more work. (I officiate with and without depending on which side of the border I'm on).

I will say games I work with a shot clock are far more action packed and engaging (though more difficult) then games I do without. Games without settle into a rythm very quickly and tactics become pretty evident. Games with shot clock is the same but many more broken plays or creativity on the fly by players to track. Anything could happen on a possesion particualrly late in the clock.

This is less as an official but more as parent/fan/ambassador of the sport. I would rather have high school kids (my kid or anyone elses) on a team that needs to play and make plays at in at least 50 possessions per game (absolute minimum in FIBA if both teams did nothing but hold the ball) and probably closer to 80 possessions. THen in a game where the coaches and key players on each team totally dominate a much smaller number of possessions.

As an official my pay check is better and the game is easier to officiate and anticipate when no shot clock exists. As a basketball person I prefer the games with.

[SC Official]

Who will be paying for the shot clock equipment at the rural, underfunded schools in South Carolina and other states which struggle just to pay officials' game fees?

Until this question is answered, there will not be a shot clock in high school basketball.

[APG]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Who will be paying for the shot clock equipment at the rural, underfunded schools in South Carolina and other states which struggle just to pay officials' game fees?

Until this question is answered, there will not be a shot clock in high school basketball.

Obviously you don't mandate schools have it in the next year...5-10 years or whatever to implement.

At the very least, NFHS should make it allowable by state adoption.

[NormanDale]

Originally Posted by SC Official

Who will be paying for the shot clock equipment at the rural, underfunded schools in South Carolina and other states which struggle just to pay officials' game fees?

Until this question is answered, there will not be a shot clock in high school basketball.

North Dakota uses a shot clock, plays 18 minute halves. I believe MN is also playing halves now instead of quarters. North Dakota had a shot clock in the large schools, I believe all schools play with it now.

Yes, its an expense and 1 more person to have to pay at the table, but with time, schools found a way to do it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by NormanDale

North Dakota uses a shot clock, plays 18 minute halves. I believe MN is also playing halves now instead of quarters. North Dakota had a shot clock in the large schools, I believe all schools play with it now.

Yes, its an expense and 1 more person to have to pay at the table, but with time, schools found a way to do it.

It's not the expense so much as the hassle. We're lucky to get one competent clock operator.

My main issue, though, is that it's really not necessary.

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by Adam

It's not the expense so much as the hassle. We're lucky to get one competent clock operator.

My main issue, though, is that it's really not necessary.

We can disagree. I think some hassle is worth thousands of extra posessions for thousands of kids.

Cost can be less then 1 set of jerseys.

While competent operators is a problem . . . see my argument re: hassle.

I work games in Maine with no shot clock. I work games in Canada with a 24 second shot clock. More kids play, more kids make decisions, more kids shoot, teams have to be deeper. Seems better for basketball.

Many more stoppages. Volunteers at most tables so anywhere between 1 or 2 and 10+ corrections a night depending on the quality of the crew. Because of timing differences (10 min quarters, 2 minutes between, etc) different bonus rules. Games just take longer anyways. Tough to get a FIBA game done in under 100 minutes. A lot are closer to 120. As an officials its a lot less pay for more work.

As a parent and basketball fan I like it a lot better.