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jTheUmp Wed Feb 04, 2015 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by frezer11 (Post 953630)
For the record, we also do fist bumps, and I like that personally, but I did have a guy make the point once that what if a player makes some comment about, "you better call this right," or something while running by you? His point was that it just creates a situation of possible conflict. I disagree, I think the sportsmanship aspect far outweighs the possibility of problems.

If a player is enough of a knucklehead to say something like this during a pregame fist-bump, I rather suspect it wouldn't take them long to be served some T during the game even without a pregame fist-bump.

AremRed Wed Feb 04, 2015 03:37pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 953636)
Has the 3-person revolution finally taken hold in WI? I grew up there and it certainly didn't exist in 1998 when I left (except for maybe a post-season all-star game here or there). I haven't seen a WIAA game since then, but along the way I heard that WI continued to lag behind in moving to 3-p. Just curious.

In Wisconsin, those that hire 3 are in a minority now. The conference that Rich assigns will be 3-person next year at $60 per official.

Another thing his state gets wrong.

frezer11 Wed Feb 04, 2015 04:10pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 953647)
Sportsmanship aspect? What would that be?

I guess I mean just the gesture of shaking (or fist bump) the officials and opposing coach's hand.

frezer11 Wed Feb 04, 2015 04:11pm

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Originally Posted by Rooster (Post 953677)
And this knucklehead will ONLY take the time to do this while he's running by you during intros??? :rolleyes: GMAB. Let that guy know this is a solution in search of a problem.

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 953682)
If a player is enough of a knucklehead to say something like this during a pregame fist-bump, I rather suspect it wouldn't take them long to be served some T during the game even without a pregame fist-bump.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you both, it was just one reason that someone had given me for not liking the fist bump/hand shake

BillyMac Wed Feb 04, 2015 04:15pm

Any Forum Members From Hawaii ???
 
A smart official wouldn't fist bump this guy:

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.6080...5&pid=15.1&P=0

Rich Wed Feb 04, 2015 05:52pm

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 953623)
And what, pray tell, is wrong with pregame fist bumps?

Just more for us to watch. Waste of time. They can shake hands and fist bump before the opening toss. They do that anyway.

Regarding 2-person versus 3-person:

I moved here in 2002. Everything was 2-person then, even the post-season. To get 3-person work, I licensed in Illinois and worked about a dozen games there a season.

A majority of my games now are 3-person. Our entire post-season is 3-person, from the opening round until the state finals. I have made a personal decision to never schedule another 2-person game for myself (I have one more this year and maybe 2-3 next season) and I won't hire a 2-person crew for schools personally.

The conference I assign -- I've allowed crews to bring 3 to games all season. I didn't have any extra money for them this year, but as was said, next year all games are assigned 3-person for $60 per official, which is the going rate around here (and what we paid for 2 officials this season).

The thing our state gets wrong is not mandating 3 officials for varsity games.

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Originally Posted by AremRed (Post 953683)
In Wisconsin, those that hire 3 are in a minority now. The conference that Rich assigns will be 3-person next year at $60 per official.

Another thing his state gets wrong.

What, the $60? That's what our conference pays for 2-person now.

Some conferences only pay $50 for 3-person -- they cut the pay when they went to 3 officials. I strongly recommended that not happen for us.

Yes, our officials probably could make a bit more, but we're competitive with neighboring conferences.

zakman2005000 Wed Feb 04, 2015 07:01pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 953698)
The conference I assign -- I've allowed crews to bring 3 to games all season. I didn't have any extra money for them this year, but as was said, next year all games are assigned 3-person for $60 per official, which is the going rate around here (and what we paid for 2 officials this season).

Yikes, that's brutal. Up here in the conferences I work, all assign three officials. We were even fortunate to get our fees bumped to $80 or $85/official
for most of those conferences in the process. I guess I'll consider our area to be pretty fortunate.

Rich Wed Feb 04, 2015 07:47pm

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Originally Posted by zakman2005000 (Post 953700)
Yikes, that's brutal. Up here in the conferences I work, all assign three officials. We were even fortunate to get our fees bumped to $80 or $85/official
for most of those conferences in the process. I guess I'll consider our area to be pretty fortunate.

I can probably guess those conferences -- didn't the pay increase come at the expense of mileage reimbursement? Some of the drives in that part of the state are L-O-N-G, too.

zakman2005000 Wed Feb 04, 2015 08:34pm

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 953702)
I can probably guess those conferences -- didn't the pay increase come at the expense of mileage reimbursement? Some of the drives in that part of the state are L-O-N-G, too.

Yeah, no mileage. Probably one or two games per conference where it's over an hour one way trip. Most are 20-45 minutes, that's a trade I'm willing to make. Interesting story about fees I heard thru the grapevine..one conference heard that a rival conference was paying $80/game and the schools said OK we'll pay $85. So much for fiscal responsibility.

Rich Wed Feb 04, 2015 08:40pm

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Originally Posted by zakman2005000 (Post 953704)
Yeah, no mileage. Probably one or two games per conference where it's over an hour one way trip. Most are 20-45 minutes, that's a trade I'm willing to make. Interesting story about fees I heard thru the grapevine..one conference heard that a rival conference was paying $80/game and the schools said OK we'll pay $85. So much for fiscal responsibility.

I'm all for raising rates...I personally think it's due. But he rates haven't moved much in years down here. Adding a third costs each school $60 a game. Better to have 3 at $60 than 2 at a higher rate...for now.

crosscountry55 Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by zakman2005000 (Post 953700)
Yikes, that's brutal. Up here in the conferences I work, all assign three officials. We were even fortunate to get our fees bumped to $80 or $85/official
for most of those conferences in the process. I guess I'll consider our area to be pretty fortunate.

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Originally Posted by Rich (Post 953705)
I'm all for raising rates...I personally think it's due. But he rates haven't moved much in years down here. Adding a third costs each school $60 a game. Better to have 3 at $60 than 2 at a higher rate...for now.

Wow. So you're saying I could make $85 doing a Hayward/Bloomer 3-p game in the north woods, or $60 doing a King/Bay View 2-p game in urban Milwaukee.

Where in God's green earth is the logic in that?

Rich Wed Feb 04, 2015 10:49pm

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Originally Posted by crosscountry55 (Post 953713)
Wow. So you're saying I could make $85 doing a Hayward/Bloomer 3-p game in the north woods, or $60 doing a King/Bay View 2-p game in urban Milwaukee.

Where in God's green earth is the logic in that?

All of SE Wisconsin is 3-person.


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