Warmups
 

14:58 left in pre-game warmups. Visiting team goes to the lockerroom. Home team decides to run some fast break drills up and down the full length of the floor. Legal?

No. Don't have my books handy but I believe there is something written to the effect each team is entitled to the opposite half of the court from their team bench for warmups

It was a POE a few seasons ago and used the exact example in the OP.
You won't find it in the current books though.

NCAAW just came out with an interp that it's illegal there, too.

Surprised me.

Speaking of warm ups, there are many officials in my state who insist on staying opposite the table the entire time before the game including warm ups, national anthem, and player introductions. I prefer to go across and stand in front of the table once the teams go to their benches. What do you do in your area?

Virginia...In my association, we greet the coaches around the 2:00 min mark, then we stay by the table for the national anthem and player introductions. During player introductions, we "fist bump" the players after they leave their bench and before they shake the opposing coach's hand. After player introductions we take off our jackets before going to our spots on the floor.

"If during the pregame or halftime warmup
period one team leaves the floor, the
other team should not use the entire
court; teams should only warm-up on
their half of the court. "

http://dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downlo...%20Changes.pdf

3. If during the pre-game or half-time warm-up one team leaves the floor, the other team may
not use the entire court; teams may only warm up on their half of the court.
http://tapps.net/wp-content/uploads/...section151.pdf


"If during the pregame or halftime warm-up period one team
leaves the floor, the other team should not use the entire
court; teams should only warm up on their half of the court."
http://www.kshsaa.org/Publications/december.pdf

That's essentially the same thing we used to do in central OH. This year, some coach in the largest HS conf complained about or didn't want to do handshakes and didn't want to be seen as unsportsmanlike, so the conf eliminated them, mandating that teams stay near their bench. Seems silly to me but whatever.

No pregame handshakes in WI.

Anthem first.

Starters are introduced. All 5 visitors, then all 5 home. They go to the free throw line nearest their benches. No handshakes with officials.

Another thing our state gets right.

And what, pray tell, is wrong with pregame fist bumps?

For the record, we also do fist bumps, and I like that personally, but I did have a guy make the point once that what if a player makes some comment about, "you better call this right," or something while running by you? His point was that it just creates a situation of possible conflict. I disagree, I think the sportsmanship aspect far outweighs the possibility of problems.

Has the 3-person revolution finally taken hold in WI? I grew up there and it certainly didn't exist in 1998 when I left (except for maybe a post-season all-star game here or there). I haven't seen a WIAA game since then, but along the way I heard that WI continued to lag behind in moving to 3-p. Just curious.

We do the whole fist bump with the officials/shake the opposing coaches hand routine and I really think it is pretty silly. I would be fine with just introducing the players after the anthem and getting started.

Sportsmanship aspect? What would that be?

And this knucklehead will ONLY take the time to do this while he's running by you during intros??? :rolleyes: GMAB. Let that guy know this is a solution in search of a problem.

If a player is enough of a knucklehead to say something like this during a pregame fist-bump, I rather suspect it wouldn't take them long to be served some T during the game even without a pregame fist-bump.

In Wisconsin, those that hire 3 are in a minority now. The conference that Rich assigns will be 3-person next year at $60 per official.

Another thing his state gets wrong.

I guess I mean just the gesture of shaking (or fist bump) the officials and opposing coach's hand.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you both, it was just one reason that someone had given me for not liking the fist bump/hand shake

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A smart official wouldn't fist bump this guy:

https://sp.yimg.com/ib/th?id=HN.6080...5&pid=15.1&P=0

Just more for us to watch. Waste of time. They can shake hands and fist bump before the opening toss. They do that anyway.

Regarding 2-person versus 3-person:

I moved here in 2002. Everything was 2-person then, even the post-season. To get 3-person work, I licensed in Illinois and worked about a dozen games there a season.

A majority of my games now are 3-person. Our entire post-season is 3-person, from the opening round until the state finals. I have made a personal decision to never schedule another 2-person game for myself (I have one more this year and maybe 2-3 next season) and I won't hire a 2-person crew for schools personally.

The conference I assign -- I've allowed crews to bring 3 to games all season. I didn't have any extra money for them this year, but as was said, next year all games are assigned 3-person for $60 per official, which is the going rate around here (and what we paid for 2 officials this season).

The thing our state gets wrong is not mandating 3 officials for varsity games.

What, the $60? That's what our conference pays for 2-person now.

Some conferences only pay $50 for 3-person -- they cut the pay when they went to 3 officials. I strongly recommended that not happen for us.

Yes, our officials probably could make a bit more, but we're competitive with neighboring conferences.

Yikes, that's brutal. Up here in the conferences I work, all assign three officials. We were even fortunate to get our fees bumped to $80 or $85/official
for most of those conferences in the process. I guess I'll consider our area to be pretty fortunate.

I can probably guess those conferences -- didn't the pay increase come at the expense of mileage reimbursement? Some of the drives in that part of the state are L-O-N-G, too.

Yeah, no mileage. Probably one or two games per conference where it's over an hour one way trip. Most are 20-45 minutes, that's a trade I'm willing to make. Interesting story about fees I heard thru the grapevine..one conference heard that a rival conference was paying $80/game and the schools said OK we'll pay $85. So much for fiscal responsibility.

I'm all for raising rates...I personally think it's due. But he rates haven't moved much in years down here. Adding a third costs each school $60 a game. Better to have 3 at $60 than 2 at a higher rate...for now.

Wow. So you're saying I could make $85 doing a Hayward/Bloomer 3-p game in the north woods, or $60 doing a King/Bay View 2-p game in urban Milwaukee.

Where in God's green earth is the logic in that?

All of SE Wisconsin is 3-person.