OT - another coach that should be taken out and horsewhipped

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

Update: Guilty

http://www.oregonlive.com/forest-gro...h_schoo_2.html

Let me first say that by no means do I condone this scum bag's actions.

However...he's convicted without ANY physical evidence and no witness accounts other than "heard sex noises". Also no mention of the mother's role during trial? Maybe there was more than the article states but this seems like a jury was going to punish him based on allegation. Probably deserved what he got...but I hate seeing anybody convicted without any physical evidence...this will haunt him the rest of his life.

I'm not an attorney, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn on occasion.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

... without ANY physical evidence ...

Text messages?

[Rich]

Guilty until proven innocent in cases like this, it seems.

(And I have a 10-year-old daughter and I know there are creeps out there. But it seems like a flimsy case. I hope there was more than reported.)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Guilty until proven innocent in cases like this, it seems.

(And I have a 10-year-old daughter and I know there are creeps out there. But it seems like a flimsy case. I hope there was more than reported.)

Isn't there always more than was reported?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Isn't there always more than was reported?

Oh, I'm sure. But juries are filled with moms and dads, too.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Rich

Oh, I'm sure. But juries are filled with moms and dads, too.

This case was heard in Washington County court. Washington County Oregon is just west of Portland and the population is fairly family oriented. I live in this county and I was called once to jury duty. I was dismissed because the defense attorney was a personal friend of mine. Darn it. It was a murder trial and I really wanted to see my buddy in action.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Oh, I'm sure. But juries are filled with moms and dads, too.

Hard to fill a jury with pedophile coaches

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Adam

Hard to fill a jury with pedophile coaches

Allegedly. Due process only works if it applies to the most vile, too.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Rich

Allegedly. Due process only works if it applies to the most vile, too.

I agree, and was being a bit snarky. I'm not saying he didn't deserve due process. Just that he seems to have gotten it to the best of our (society's) ability.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Rich

Guilty until proven innocent in cases like this, it seems.

(And I have a 10-year-old daughter and I know there are creeps out there. But it seems like a flimsy case. I hope there was more than reported.)

I would think that, since I read the article in about 30 seconds, there would probably be a LOT more than reported. I can't imagine a case only needing about 30 seconds to present all the facts.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Rich

Guilty until proven innocent in cases like this, it seems.

(And I have a 10-year-old daughter and I know there are creeps out there. But it seems like a flimsy case. I hope there was more than reported.)

He was charged with 2nd degree sexual abuse. Felony. In Oregon that requires proof of penetration. Prosecutors thought they had enough. started trial. defense motion, out of presence of jury, says there isnt enough to even let the jury consider whether 2nd degree occurred. judge agrees. (that was the mid trial motion) prosecutors amend charge/reduce it to 3rd degree. misdemeanor. requires only proof that they had sexual contact. much less required. noises and text messages are enough.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by BigCat

...noises and text messages are enough...

To prove sexual contact? Really?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

To prove sexual contact? Really?

They can be evidence, yes, if they admitted such contact in the messages. Similar to a phone recording.

[Bad Zebra]

Originally Posted by Adam

They can be evidence, yes, if they admitted such contact in the messages. Similar to a phone recording.

Guess that's understandable. That's probably an aspect of the evidence that was never made public.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra

To prove sexual contact? Really?

It is enough to let the jury make the decision on whether the contact occurred. steamy messages from his phone to hers and vice versa. sex noises from car. kissing can be sexual contact. add it all up and I can see letting a jury decide. That doesnt mean it has been proven, but means there is enough to let them decide. Jurors have to agree. lawyers argue. if you were on jury you could have said it isnt enough. not vote to convict. hang the jury. if that happens they let him go or retry him.

gotta go. gotta game.