Hitting the Ball with One's Fist

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yep, and a high dribble "seems" like a carry, but....

Good point.

[just another ref]

When the ball is stationary on the floor, if you slap it enough to make it bounce again, it is pinned to the floor, although briefly. This still seems like the ball is "at rest in the hand" to me. I see no time limit on "at rest."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the ball is stationary on the floor, if you slap it enough to make it bounce again, it is pinned to the floor, although briefly. This still seems like the ball is "at rest in the hand" to me. I see no time limit on "at rest."

If the ball is resting on the floor, it's not resting in the hand.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the ball is resting on the floor, it's not resting in the hand.

emphasis on IN

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the ball is resting on the floor, it's not resting in the hand.

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

Ball pinned on leg is caught. dribble rule says it ends if caught or comes to rest….

when it is sitting on the floor it is in contact with what it is that makes it a dribble. the floor. all, theory, havnt thought through. sounded good to me...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

It may not be if he actually pinned it to the floor, but he didn't. He batted the ball, that's all. That is just another dribble.

As for the leg analogy, the ball touching the leg on the way down or even while in contact with the dribbler's hand is nothing. The ball must get "caught" there, frozen between the hand and leg, for it to be a violation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

As for the leg analogy, the ball touching the leg on the way down or even while in contact with the dribbler's hand is nothing. The ball must get "caught" there, frozen between the hand and leg, for it to be a violation.

In other words stationary, motionless, just like it is on the floor in the play at hand.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

Without his hand there, it's still going to rest on the floor.
Without his hand there, it's not going to stick to his leg.

That's the difference, but I think you know that.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

Without his hand there, it's still going to rest on the floor.
Without his hand there, it's not going to stick to his leg.

Now we're just talking gravity. The dribbler is ultimately responsible. How it got there doesn't matter. If the ball becomes pinned between the hand and anything, it seems to me that would end the dribble.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Now we're just talking gravity. The dribbler is ultimately responsible. How it got there doesn't matter. If the ball becomes pinned between the hand and anything, it seems to me that would end the dribble.

"anything?" You've got two options, really. The floor, or his person. If it's his person, then we generally consider him to be holding it. There's nothing about the floor that requires us to consider it the same as his leg.