Hitting the Ball with One's Fist

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by APG

What makes it illegal?

Dunno. It just seems illegal.

The comes to rest in one hand thing was the best I could do on short notice.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Dunno. It just seems illegal.

The comes to rest in one hand thing was the best I could do on short notice.

Well, how about this....

There is no limit on how high a dribble can go. Right? Wouldn't this just be a really short dribble?

I might agree with you in the spirit of the rule if the player deliberately pinned the ball between his hand and the floor. That could be argued to be at rest in the hand.

However, a momentary contact isn't at rest in the hand any more than it would be on every dribble. It may be at rest on the floor, but that is not the same as in the hand.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I might agree with you in the spirit of the rule if the player deliberately pinned the ball between his hand and the floor. That could be argued to be at rest in the hand.

That's exactly what he did. It will never happen in a game. But if it does, I think I would call it a violation.

[Raymond]

Fisting, just don't verbalize the violation in a gym full of moms.

Would not have a violation on the OP's play.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Fisting, just don't verbalize the violation in a gym full of moms.

Would not have a violation on the OP's play.

Fisting is still illegal in 23 states.

[deecee]

I don't have a violation. The heel of ones hand is still part of the hand. The fist is the when the hand is balled up and struck with, well the fist (knuckles).

[BryanV21]

Let's say I'm dribbling, then the ball comes to rest on the floor after I... I don't know... drop it. I can then slap the ball so that it starts bouncing and continue my dribble?

I know it's very unlikely for this to ever happen, but I don't see how this would be legal. I know, by rule, it's hard to say the dribble ended.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's exactly what he did. It will never happen in a game. But if it does, I think I would call it a violation.

Actually, it isn't.

Smacking the ball with the heel of the hand isn't pinning it unless you consider every single dribble a carry because the ball is merely in contact with the hand for a moment. That is essentially the bar your trying to establish here.

Pinning it to the floor would be leaving the hand on the ball and holding it in place, not smacking it.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Pinning it to the floor would be leaving the hand on the ball and holding it in place.....

For how long? If the ball is in contact with two things on opposite sides at the same time, seems to me that it might be considered pinned.

Omg, let it rest guys.

See what I did there??