Hitting the Ball with One's Fist

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Fisting, just don't verbalize the violation in a gym full of moms.

Would not have a violation on the OP's play.

Fisting is still illegal in 23 states.

[deecee]

I don't have a violation. The heel of ones hand is still part of the hand. The fist is the when the hand is balled up and struck with, well the fist (knuckles).

[BryanV21]

Let's say I'm dribbling, then the ball comes to rest on the floor after I... I don't know... drop it. I can then slap the ball so that it starts bouncing and continue my dribble?

I know it's very unlikely for this to ever happen, but I don't see how this would be legal. I know, by rule, it's hard to say the dribble ended.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

Let's say I'm dribbling, then the ball comes to rest on the floor after I... I don't know... drop it. I can then slap the ball so that it starts bouncing and continue my dribble?

I know it's very unlikely for this to ever happen, but I don't see how this would be legal. I know, by rule, it's hard to say the dribble ended.

I don't see how it would be illegal.

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

I don't see how it would be illegal.

That's my point... neither do I. But while the rules on how a dribble ends don't work in this case, it surely seems like the dribble ended.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BryanV21

That's my point... neither do I. But while the rules on how a dribble ends don't work in this case, it surely seems like the dribble ended.

Yep, and a high dribble "seems" like a carry, but....

[BryanV21]

Originally Posted by Adam

Yep, and a high dribble "seems" like a carry, but....

Good point.

[just another ref]

When the ball is stationary on the floor, if you slap it enough to make it bounce again, it is pinned to the floor, although briefly. This still seems like the ball is "at rest in the hand" to me. I see no time limit on "at rest."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

When the ball is stationary on the floor, if you slap it enough to make it bounce again, it is pinned to the floor, although briefly. This still seems like the ball is "at rest in the hand" to me. I see no time limit on "at rest."

If the ball is resting on the floor, it's not resting in the hand.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the ball is resting on the floor, it's not resting in the hand.

emphasis on IN

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

If the ball is resting on the floor, it's not resting in the hand.

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

Ball pinned on leg is caught. dribble rule says it ends if caught or comes to rest….

when it is sitting on the floor it is in contact with what it is that makes it a dribble. the floor. all, theory, havnt thought through. sounded good to me...

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's exactly what he did. It will never happen in a game. But if it does, I think I would call it a violation.

Actually, it isn't.

Smacking the ball with the heel of the hand isn't pinning it unless you consider every single dribble a carry because the ball is merely in contact with the hand for a moment. That is essentially the bar your trying to establish here.

Pinning it to the floor would be leaving the hand on the ball and holding it in place, not smacking it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If it's pinned between the two, why is it not resting in/on both? Why is this different than when the dribbler pins the ball to his own leg?

It may not be if he actually pinned it to the floor, but he didn't. He batted the ball, that's all. That is just another dribble.

As for the leg analogy, the ball touching the leg on the way down or even while in contact with the dribbler's hand is nothing. The ball must get "caught" there, frozen between the hand and leg, for it to be a violation.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Pinning it to the floor would be leaving the hand on the ball and holding it in place.....

For how long? If the ball is in contact with two things on opposite sides at the same time, seems to me that it might be considered pinned.