Sub after timeout

[just another ref]

My small association has been absorbed this year by a larger association so I find myself in the role of "new guy" for the first time in quite a while, which is not what I do best. But with that in mind, I err on the side of caution when dealing with a veteran official who I am working with for the first time. We are shooting two free throws and home team calls timeout. After the warning horn at 15 seconds, sub reports for home and he properly says she must wait. I'm C. After the first free throw I look expectantly toward the table and.......nothing. I blow the whistle and point. Partner at T shakes his head. I walked over and asked what the problem is. He says after a timeout a sub who reported after the horn can't come in until after the clock has run. I tell him no, that the timeout is over and the sub can enter before the last free throw. He was adamant, he was the R, and it was his sub so I backed off. Between games he rooted through the rule and case books but "couldn't find what he was looking for." He promised to finish checking it out and get back to me. He said "I may be 100% wrong but I've been doing it that way for a loooong time." (I don't think he believed he was wrong) I told him he was confusing this with the player returning who had been subbed out.

I'm also 100% sure that I'm right but there's comfort in numbers. So, go ahead guys. Back me up and share your thoughts on a veteran official making this kind of mistake.

[referee99]

You were right.

[APG]

Your interpretation is correct.

[WhistlesAndStripes]

Originally Posted by referee99

You were right.

Originally Posted by APG

You're interpretation is correct.

Agreed.

[Nevadaref]

That sub is able to enter after the ball becomes live and then dead again even if the clock did not run. Another possibility is that if a second TO were taken before the ball is made live the sub may enter then too.

[Maineac]

You'd be right here, too.

[bainsey]

Correcto, señor.

[Adam]

I believe the rule says subs who report after the first horn must wait for "the next opportunity", not "until the clock runs."

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Adam

I believe the rule says subs who report after the first horn must wait for "the next opportunity", not "until the clock runs."

That phrase is used for players that are replaced/subbed or directed to leave game. Replaced player or directed to leave game cannot come in until next opportunity and clock has started…after his replacement. rule 3 something.



Rule 3 warning horn section says if player reports late the same players in game have to "resume play." rule 6 says you resume play when ball becomes live on a jump ball, free throw, and/or throw in. We just "resumed play" when we bounced free thrower the ball. Rule satisfied. now we need to let this player in. (this is what I would tell your partner)

[UpperValley]

I see the ball coming live on the first throw of a 1 & 1. Is it live on the first (or first two) throws of shooting 2 or 3 free throws?

[deecee]

That's absurd. So what happens when a team, after the first FT, sends a sub to the table? Does he make them wait too?

In this case each team has 3 opportunities to get subs into the game.

1. The TO
2. After the first FT attempt
3. After the second attempt if good.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by UpperValley

I see the ball coming live on the first throw of a 1 & 1. Is it live on the first (or first two) throws of shooting 2 or 3 free throws?

Yes. Otherwise, you couldn't score (amongst other examples)

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by UpperValley

I see the ball coming live on the first throw of a 1 & 1. Is it live on the first (or first two) throws of shooting 2 or 3 free throws?

Yes. The ball becomes live every time it is bounced/received to/by the free thrower. If 3 free throws are being shot, ---on the first and second the ball becomes live on receipt, becomes dead when it goes in or it is certain to be missed. On the third FT it is dead if it goes in but remains live if it is missed.