Box out or no call? (Video)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

For me, in order to call a foul on a player for undercutting an opponent, I need to see a player jumping mostly vertically and the other player moving into his opponent's space. This is not what happened here.

Red #32 jumped into White #42. White #42 ducked in an attempt to avoid being contacted. For me, Red #32 is responsible for any contact that may occur, but in this case I believe the contact was incidental. No foul.

#42 bent over then proceeded to back himself underneath #32. That is a bush league play at best. He wasn't avoiding contact, he was being a troublemaker.

[BigCat]

I see white player fronting the post. Shot goes up and he starts pushing red under the basket as Camron says. It's easier to shove him under basket than get around in front of him. White keeps doing it, Red resists. White bends to push more and does. Red jumps for ball...white keeps pushing but no resistance. Undercut. Clearly a foul on white and ends up dangerous.

Usually involves shorter v taller player. Clearly foul but i don't see intentional…but, I didn't see the rest of the game.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Usually involves shorter v taller player. Clearly foul but i don't see intentional…but, I didn't see the rest of the game.

When I first saw this play, I thought it was a no-call. I thought that the white player was just staying under the guy jumping on top of him. Now I am not so sure. I have not been able to see this play but only look on memory for the most part. Well now I think this was a foul. I looked at this game just to see that play as I was reviewing some comments about this game. Glad I saw this play again. My initial opinion has changed.

And no, the game was not particularly rough, but there were a lot of fouls called in this game. I will let that stand there.

Peace

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And no, the game was not particularly rough, but there were a lot of fouls called in this game. I will let that stand there.

Peace

figured that

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

When I first saw this play, I thought it was a no-call. I thought that the white player was just staying under the guy jumping on top of him. Now I am not so sure. I have not been able to see this play but only look on memory for the most part. Well now I think this was a foul. I looked at this game just to see that play as I was reviewing some comments about this game. Glad I saw this play again. My initial opinion has changed.

And no, the game was not particularly rough, but there were a lot of fouls called in this game. I will let that stand there.

Peace

This pretty much sums up what I was thinking. First time (first few times actually) viewing I thought no call, I thought the red player jumped up and over, and let to his own fall. While I still think that is partially true, I can now see white continuing to back into red's initial spot, which is why I'd have a foul. I still don't think it's as obviously clear cut as others though