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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:01pm
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Intentionally Leaving The Court. Violation?

Intentionally leaving the court is a violation, correct?

Situation:

Team A makes a basket. Team B immediately calls timeout, and will have the run of the endline when returning from timeout.

Official hands B1 ball for throw in after timeout. B2 then leaves the court on the other side of the lane.

B1 throws the ball to B3 at the free throw line.

Is this a violation for B2 leaving the court?

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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:05pm
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Intentionally leaving the court is a violation, correct?

Situation:

Team A makes a basket. Team B immediately calls timeout, and will have the run of the endline when returning from timeout.

Official hands B1 ball for throw in after timeout. B2 then leaves the court on the other side of the lane.

B1 throws the ball to B3 at the free throw line.

Is this a violation for B2 leaving the court?

Thanks.
After a made or awarded basket, a team is permitted to have more than one player out of bounds during the throw-in.
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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 01:34pm
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Intentionally leaving the court is a violation, correct?
Not correct.

Intentionally leaving the court for an unauthorized reason is a violation. (or whatever the specific words are)
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Old Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:29pm
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The violation is only for leaving for an unauthorized reason (9-3-3), but in this case there is a throw-in rule which specifically authorizes the players of the throwing team to be out of bounds (7-5-7a).
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:03pm
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We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:11pm
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We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.

What level do you coach at, you seem to have problems in a lot of your games
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:13pm
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What level do you coach at, you seem to have problems in a lot of your games
That's kind of rude and uncalled for. He doesn't critique your officiating discussions, does he?
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:31pm
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We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.
That rule was put in to address the entire team leaving at the end of a half when the other team had FTs still to shoot.

In general, I think the officials got this one right.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 02:47pm
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If I had that coach's scenario happen in my game, I think I would go the route of reminding him that if he's going to allow his player to leave the playing area, that he needs to be accompanied by adult personnel.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 03:56pm
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That rule was put in to address the entire team leaving at the end of a half when the other team had FTs still to shoot.

In general, I think the officials got this one right.
An example which the NFHS gave when first publishing the rule was a team member leaving the bench and going up into the stands to confront a spectator.
Technical foul charged to the head coach was the ruling.
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Old Wed Jan 28, 2015, 05:34pm
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We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.
Hi Knights_Coach! Welcome to The Forum. As you probably already know, the referee did not follow the rule explicitly. I am impressed that you took the time to look up the rule. As you may know as referees we have to exercise judgement to know when to apply the rules properly. Sometimes this entails using tools other than a technical foul. As other posters have mentioned the referee could have informed the coach to make sure the player leaving had proper supervision. In my mind the 'spirit' of the rule is to penalize unsporting behaviour -- in this instance storming away from the court which is showing up the referee. From your description it sounds like the referee could have called a tech, but whether he should have is kinda up to him.

What level do you coach? Have you considered becoming a referee?
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