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GeorgeRef Mon Jan 26, 2015 01:01pm

Intentionally Leaving The Court. Violation?
 
Intentionally leaving the court is a violation, correct?

Situation:

Team A makes a basket. Team B immediately calls timeout, and will have the run of the endline when returning from timeout.

Official hands B1 ball for throw in after timeout. B2 then leaves the court on the other side of the lane.

B1 throws the ball to B3 at the free throw line.

Is this a violation for B2 leaving the court?

Thanks.

PG_Ref Mon Jan 26, 2015 01:05pm

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Originally Posted by GeorgeRef (Post 952215)
Intentionally leaving the court is a violation, correct?

Situation:

Team A makes a basket. Team B immediately calls timeout, and will have the run of the endline when returning from timeout.

Official hands B1 ball for throw in after timeout. B2 then leaves the court on the other side of the lane.

B1 throws the ball to B3 at the free throw line.

Is this a violation for B2 leaving the court?

Thanks.

After a made or awarded basket, a team is permitted to have more than one player out of bounds during the throw-in.

bob jenkins Mon Jan 26, 2015 01:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeorgeRef (Post 952215)
Intentionally leaving the court is a violation, correct?

Not correct.

Intentionally leaving the court for an unauthorized reason is a violation. (or whatever the specific words are)

Nevadaref Mon Jan 26, 2015 04:29pm

The violation is only for leaving for an unauthorized reason (9-3-3), but in this case there is a throw-in rule which specifically authorizes the players of the throwing team to be out of bounds (7-5-7a).

Knights_Coach Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:03pm

We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.

johnny d Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:11pm

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Originally Posted by Knights_Coach (Post 952610)
We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.


What level do you coach at, you seem to have problems in a lot of your games

Bad Zebra Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:13pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 952611)
What level do you coach at, you seem to have problems in a lot of your games

That's kind of rude and uncalled for. He doesn't critique your officiating discussions, does he?

so cal lurker Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:16pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 952612)
That's kind of rude and uncalled for. He doesn't critique your officiating discussions, does he?

I thought his point was more about ref level than the coach . . . different realistic expectations for HS V refs and MS refs . . .

johnny d Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 952612)
That's kind of rude and uncalled for. He doesn't critique your officiating discussions, does he?


Not meant to be rude at all. If he is coaching jr. high or lower, he would most likely have newer officials on his game learning how to officiate. In that case, I would suggest he ease up a little and realize that just like his players, his officials are still learning and are more prone to make mistakes.

If you are offended by a simple question like the one I posed to coach, I would suggest that you need some thicker skin. In case you couldn't figure it out, that statement was purposefully rude.

Bad Zebra Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:22pm

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Originally Posted by so cal lurker (Post 952615)
I thought his point was more about ref level than the coach . . . different realistic expectations for HS V refs and MS refs . . .

I understand...you're probably right but the original poster has a total of 2 posts. How do you think he's going to interpret the comment?

Bad Zebra Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by johnny d (Post 952618)
...If you are offended by a simple question like the one I posed to coach, I would suggest that you need some thicker skin. In case you couldn't figure it out, that statement was purposefully rude.

Not offended at all...and my skin is plenty thick. Just don't like to see new members scared off by poor manners. I understood where you were coming from but if you read you're response in a literal sense, it's kind of insulting.

And instead of implying I can't figure something out, you might work on your written communication skills.

bob jenkins Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knights_Coach (Post 952610)
We had a game 1/26/15, it went like this:

During the 4th quarter, Team A's(them) player fouled out and this also put Team B(us) at the free throw line. Well, Player A gets so mad he leaves the bench area and playing court headed to toward their locker room. The referee spotted the occurrence, didn't allow us to shoot the free throws & told Team A's coach, & the other 2 refs he had to come back. Mind you Team A(us) is waiting to shoot free throws. The referees waited for him to return to the bench all while we waited over 1 minute. Team A never received a technical. I argued my point, tried to get a referee to come to me but was ignored. Never got an explanation.

NFHS 2014-15 Rule 10: Fouls & Penalties Section 5: Head Coach Rules, Article 5 states: The Head Coach shall not permit team members to leave the bench area and/or playing court for an unauthorized reason.
PENALTY: (Section 5) Two free throws plus ball for division-line throw-in. The foul is directly charged to the head coach.

That rule was put in to address the entire team leaving at the end of a half when the other team had FTs still to shoot.

In general, I think the officials got this one right.

APG Wed Jan 28, 2015 02:47pm

If I had that coach's scenario happen in my game, I think I would go the route of reminding him that if he's going to allow his player to leave the playing area, that he needs to be accompanied by adult personnel.

MD Longhorn Wed Jan 28, 2015 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 952612)
That's kind of rude and uncalled for. He doesn't critique your officiating discussions, does he?

TF on Bad Zebra. He wasn't rude at all. He was empathizing.

Nevadaref Wed Jan 28, 2015 03:56pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 952623)
That rule was put in to address the entire team leaving at the end of a half when the other team had FTs still to shoot.

In general, I think the officials got this one right.

An example which the NFHS gave when first publishing the rule was a team member leaving the bench and going up into the stands to confront a spectator.
Technical foul charged to the head coach was the ruling.


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