Correctable Error: Incorrect Information by the Game Official.

[La Rikardo]

The way I see it, two correctable errors occurred. First, a score was erroneously canceled. Second, an unmerited free throw was awarded. By failing to count the goal, the official also awarded an unmerited free throw, even though that free throw never began.

Because the penalty for the personal foul was two free throws, the ball was to become dead after the end of the first free throw. When the officials correct both errors, play is to resume from the point of interruption with an AP throw-in because no goal, infraction, or end of period was involved when the game was interrupted.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The case plays have one important difference. It says erroneous information was given. In the OP, the failure to count the basket was the error, not the number of free throws. If the basket was not scored, two free throws were the correct number awarded. When the first was missed, the ball is dead.

The official telling the players two free throws was still an official's mistake. The previous error error of failing to score the try when the foul occurred does not make awarding two free throws now correct. It is not as if the official specifically waved off the basket and stated that the foul was prior to the act of shooting. He simply failed to inform the scorer to count the goal.

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

The way I see it, two correctable errors occurred. First, a score was erroneously canceled. Second, an unmerited free throw was awarded. By failing to count the goal, the official also awarded an unmerited free throw, even though that free throw never began.

Despite the official telling the players that there will be two free throws, an unmerited free throw was never awarded. Verbally stating the number of free throws does not equate to actually awarding a free throw and making the ball live for it by putting the ball at the disposal of the free thrower.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The official telling the players two free throws was still an official's mistake. The previous error error of failing to score the try when the foul occurred does not make awarding two free throws now correct. It is not as if the official specifically waved off the basket and stated that the foul was prior to the act of shooting. He simply failed to inform the scorer to count the goal.

The sin of omission in this case produces the same result. It is not that the official forgot to make the signal. None of the officials saw the shot go in, and apparently they assumed for some reason that it did not. This was indeed a perfect storm in that nobody at the table, and no player or coach inquired: "DOES THE BUCKET COUNT?" Player at the line with no basket scored, he is entitled to two free throws.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

The sin of omission in this case produces the same result. It is not that the official forgot to make the signal. None of the officials saw the shot go in, and apparently they assumed for some reason that it did not. This was indeed a perfect storm in that nobody at the table, and no player or coach inquired: "DOES THE BUCKET COUNT?" Player at the line with no basket scored, he is entitled to two free throws.

The official telling A1 that he/she has been awarded two FTAs is not a CE unless A1 attempts both FTs. Since A1 only shot one FTA then there was no CE of awarding an unmeritted FT. The CB Plays state that.

MTD, Sr.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

The official telling A1 that he/she has been awarded two FTAs is not a CE unless A1 attempts both FTs.

It is my position that if the basket is not scored, awarding two free throws is not an error at all.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is my position that if the basket is not scored, awarding two free throws is not an error at all.

Your argument is tantamount to saying that one mistake justifies another. That is flawed logic and cannot be correct.

The truth is that mistakenly awarding an improper number of FTs is still an error, even if the official believes that he is doing so correctly.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your argument is tantamount to saying that one mistake justifies another. That is flawed logic and cannot be correct.

The truth is that mistakenly awarding an improper number of FTs is still an error, even if the official believes that he is doing so correctly.

One mistake does not justify another. But one mistake often leads to another.
There are any number of reason why the basket may not have counted in the OP. (the foul was before the try...traveling after the foul, etc.) Any one of them could have been a mistake. The failure to signal the basket good and put it on the board is no different than any other mistake.


TWO SHOTS

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It is my position that if the basket is not scored, awarding two free throws is not an error at all.

It only becomes a CE if A1 does indeed attempts the second FT. And it can only be corrected, in the OP, if the CE of failure to award points is discovered before the CE time limit expires. The CE of failure to award points was discovered before the CE time limit expired and before the second FT was attempted.

MTD, Sr.

[JeffM]

The C and the T botched the play by not observing and communicating that the basket was good.

Score the basket on the initial field goal.

The first (of one) free throw was missed with neither team rebounding like they normally would. So, go to the AP.

Both coaches may be upset with the officiating crew. That said, any of the coaches, assistant coaches, table personnel could have seen that the reporting official incorrectly did not count the basket and signaled for two shots.