Chaminade (MO) vs. Paul VI (VA) (HS Basketball) (Video)

[frezer11]

It doesn't pass The eye test as I watch it, but when I see it in slow motion, I think I see both hands on the ball when the foul is called. I think I'm shooting two.

[JRutledge]

I am giving two points on the first one and shooting one FT.

On the GT play, it look like he took it to the backboard on the block. I do not have a GT on this play from the angle.

Peace

Originally Posted by frezer11

It doesn't pass The eye test as I watch it, but when I see it in slow motion, I think I see both hands on the ball when the foul is called. I think I'm shooting two.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am shooting two on the first one.

Don't you guys mean one?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Don't you guys mean one?

I am sorry, yes I mean given them the points and shoot only one FT. I will correct the post.

Peace

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by AremRed

Don't you guys mean one?

I suppose just one would do the trick...

[deecee]

shooting foul in first video.

clean block in second video.

Same official made both these calls.

[JetMetFan]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I am giving two points on the first one and shooting one FT.

On the GT play, it look like he took it to the backboard on the block. I do not have a GT on this play from the angle.

Peace

I'm with JRut and MTDS on these.

[Raymond]

1) shooting foul in HS, common foul in NCAA-M, prior to upward motion

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) shooting foul in HS, common foul in NCAA-M, prior to upward motion

Play 2, I do not have a GT.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

1) shooting foul in HS, common foul in NCAA-M, prior to upward motion

Why do you have a different ruling between HS and and NCAA?

Are the NFHS and NCAA rules on act of shooting not the same?

NCAA:

Art. 1. Continuous motion applies to a try for field goal or free throw, but shall have no significance unless there is a foul by the defense during the interval that begins when the normal throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

Art. 10. The try starts when the player begins the motion that normally precedes the release of the ball on a try.

NFHS:

ART. 1. Continuous motion applies to a try or tap for field goals and free throws, but it has no significance unless there is a foul by any defensive player during the interval which begins when the habitual throwing movement starts a try or with the touching on a tap and ends when the ball is clearly in flight.

ART. 3 . . . The try starts when the player begins the motion which habitually precedes the release of the ball.

Aside from minor grammatical and word form differences, these read identical.

[APG]

A.R. 111. A1 is dribbling the ball and attempts to turn the corner at the top of the key to drive down the lane. B1 fouls A1 as A1 picks up his dribble. A1 then steps with his right foot and then pushes off with his left foot before beginning to raise his arm(s) or hand(s) to release the ball for a layup. The try is successful.

RULING: The foul occurred before the act of shooting began. Therefore, the goal should not count. Charge B1 with a personal foul and shoot appropriate free throws if Team A is in the bonus. The language of 5-1.10, “The try starts when the player begins the motion that normally precedes the release of the ball,” refers to the hand(s) or arm(s) in preparing to release the ball on a try for goal. Examples of the act of shooting motion include raising the ball with the hand(s) and or arm(s) to shoot a layup or jump shot or the downward motion of the hand(s) or arm(s) in completing a dunk or alley-oop play. This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball, or advancing on the court with one or both feet. (Rule 5-1.10 and 4-8.1)

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by APG

A.R. 111. A1 is dribbling the ball and attempts to turn the corner at the top of the key to drive down the lane. B1 fouls A1 as A1 picks up his dribble. A1 then steps with his right foot and then pushes off with his left foot before beginning to raise his arm(s) or hand(s) to release the ball for a layup. The try is successful.

RULING: The foul occurred before the act of shooting began. Therefore, the goal should not count. Charge B1 with a personal foul and shoot appropriate free throws if Team A is in the bonus. The language of 5-1.10, “The try starts when the player begins the motion that normally precedes the release of the ball,” refers to the hand(s) or arm(s) in preparing to release the ball on a try for goal. Examples of the act of shooting motion include raising the ball with the hand(s) and or arm(s) to shoot a layup or jump shot or the downward motion of the hand(s) or arm(s) in completing a dunk or alley-oop play. This act of shooting motion does not include picking up the dribble, catching (gathering) the ball, or advancing on the court with one or both feet. (Rule 5-1.10 and 4-8.1)

Agree. But HS is no different than NCAA in this area. NBA is different, but that isn't what is being discussed.