Advice Needed

[griblets]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Do this in clear public view and audition of the coaches, players, and fans.

I couldn't disagree more. Behaving in a non-professional manner like this will only hurt your reputation, not to mention that it is a bad example to display in front of the youth.

First, if your goal is to help the guy, talk to him, focusing less on his officiating and more on his ability to receive constructive criticism. Based on your description, he is likely to reject your input. At that point, you've done all you can to help him, so save your advice for someone that wants to hear it.

Second, talk to your assignor. Let him know your experience with this official. If the assignor doesn't know there's a problem, he doesn't have an opportunity to fix it.

Finally, simply reject the assignments.

Good luck.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by griblets

I couldn't disagree more. Behaving in a non-professional manner like this will only hurt your reputation, not to mention that it is a bad example to display in front of the youth.

*In life there are certain "teachable moments" for us all. In the case of this Poster, it has nothing to do with reputation, but rather "respect" for doing what is right--i.e., most effective in solving the problem.

First, if your goal is to help the guy, talk to him, focusing less on his officiating and more on his ability to receive constructive criticism. Based on your description, he is likely to reject your input. At that point, you've done all you can to help him, so save your advice for someone that wants to hear it.

*Excuse me, but did you not read and comprehend the what the Poster wrote? He has already tried the "counseling/constructive criticism" approach which was proven to be ineffectual. You furthermore state that "you've done all you can do to help him...". NO you have not done all you can do--what you need to do is to call him out. Kids care about what is right not what looks "kosher".

Second, talk to your assignor. Let him know your experience with this official. If the assignor doesn't know there's a problem, he doesn't have an opportunity to fix it.

*Talking to the assigner at a Ymca youth league does nothing but attempt a vain effort to "transfer" your problem to someone else. In this case, a more direct approach is called for.

Finally, simply reject the assignments.
*This is the Absolute Worst thing you could ever want to do. Why should this man be surrendering a chance to make money just because he's partnered with an obsinate ref? In other words--why does the jerk's problem have to interfere with his own well-being and satisfication in Life? I hope this is not how you deal with problems in your own life.

Good luck.

*In life there are certain "teachable moments" for us all. In the case of this Poster, it has nothing to do with reputation, but rather "respect" for doing what is right--i.e., most effective in solving the problem.

*This is the Absolute Worst thing you could ever want to do. Why should this man be surrendering a chance to make money just because he's partnered with an obsinate ref? In other words--why does the jerk's problem have to interfere with his own well-being and satisfication in Life? I hope this is not how you deal with problems in your own life.

*And finally, don't wish this man "good luck" as you are signing off of your post---"good luck" has nothing at all to do with solving the problem. What you should be saying is encouraging him to have and practice "good courage".

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

*In life there are certain "teachable moments" for us all. In the case of this Poster, it has nothing to do with reputation, but rather "respect" for doing what is right--i.e., most effective in solving the problem.

*This is the Absolute Worst thing you could ever want to do. Why should this man be surrendering a chance to make money just because he's partnered with an obsinate ref? In other words--why does the jerk's problem have to interfere with his own well-being and satisfication in Life? I hope this is not how you deal with problems in your own life.

*And finally, don't wish this man "good luck" as you are signing off of your post---"good luck" has nothing at all to do with solving the problem. What you should be saying is encouraging him to have and practice "good courage".

You're kidding, right?

[La Rikardo]

When assigned with this official, I would treat him with the same kindness and respect I give to all of my officiating partners. Following the games, I might try to offer a few words of respectful advice with regard to his demeanor, positioning, and mechanics on the court. If he is disrespectful or unreceptive, I might contact the assignor about this official's behavior and, if the problems were particularly bad, I might request that the assignor not assign me to work with this official in the future. However, interaction with any partner, even those who are personally frustrating, should always be respectful and courteous, especially on the court in front of players and bench personnel.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by Adam

You're kidding, right?

naw

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

naw

OK then. I'll go one at a time.

1. The most effective way to fix this is not to publicly chastise the official. That's the quickest way to an argument on the court, which makes you both look bad and ruins both of your credibility on the court.

2. Sometimes, we have to choose between working in a league that gives us bad partners and not working. Not even close to the "worst" thing to do.

3. This is just ridiculous.

[La Rikardo]

If I were to work with or observe an official using the inappropriate strategies suggested by Kansas Ref, I would e-mail the appropriate individuals to inform them of this behavior. There is absolutely no situation in which it is appropriate for an official to publicly chastise another official.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by Kansas Ref

Do this in clear public view and audition of the coaches, players, and fans.

Originally Posted by griblets

I couldn't disagree more.

griblets is dead on. There is no scenario that exists where you need to publicly reprimand another official. I honestly cannot thing of a less professional thing to do.

[Kansas Ref]

Originally Posted by frezer11

griblets is dead on. There is no scenario that exists where you need to publicly reprimand another official. I honestly cannot thing of a less professional thing to do.

*I couldn't disagree more---you'all are just perpetuating bad behaviour--pls go and read the entirity of SAK's original post--the guy is out of options--hey all this is my final reply to this particular thread--we are all adults here and despite whatever advice is proffered in this thread, SAK will do what SAK will do