Dunk and Hang on Rim (Video)

[johnsonboys03]

Originally Posted by APG

Would the hang be enough for you to give a T?

Not even a question. Had he let go earlier he would've gotten hurt. Person who calls that a T never dunked a ball in his life. I saw nothing to warrant a T

[Rich]

Not a chance.

[Rob1968]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

Not even a question. Had he let go earlier he would've gotten hurt. Person who calls that a T never dunked a ball in his life. I saw nothing to warrant a T

Hyperbole is dangerous.

It's not neccessary to grab the rim, or swing from it or do a pull-up, at any speed, while dunking the ball. When the ball is released, the shooter's head is approx. 8'10" off the floor, and his body is close to vertical. He decides to grab the rim, and pulls himself up, while pulling the rim downward, and he raises his body another 12+ inches, while swinging to a near horizontal position. It was all for show, and the show started long before this game, when he and the teammate who fed him the ball off of the backboard, practiced this move.

It's worthy of a T in NFHS, in my judgement. Oh, and yes, I've dunked a ball quite a few times . . .

[La Rikardo]

This is not a technical foul.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by johnsonboys03

Not even a question. Had he let go earlier he would've gotten hurt. Person who calls that a T never dunked a ball in his life. I saw nothing to warrant a T

I have made this statement before. Folks act as if your body will just magically stop going forward after running full speed just because the balls goes through the basket.

There is a big difference between dunking the ball off 2 feet, and dunking off 1 foot while going at a high speed.

Some refs are just looking for "got ya" violations.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have made this statement before. Folks act as if your body will just magically stop going forward after running full speed just because the balls goes through the basket.

There is a big difference between dunking the ball off 2 feet, and dunking off 1 foot while going at a high speed.

Some refs are just looking for "got ya" violations.

The player doesn't need benefit of using the rim to stop if they don't unnecessarily grab it to start with. The body only goes that horizontal because of the grab. Without it, he'd have stayed upright.

There are far too many high speed and athletic dunks where the player doesn't find the need to swing around like it was a gymnastics meet that prove it is not necessary to do as was done in this dunk.

But, as I said earlier, I see this one at the 50/50 point. I could see it called or not.

[Bad Zebra]

No way there's a T here. If the player lets go any earlier, he'd be flat on the floor and likely in a lot of pain. High speed dunk is legal, hanging to prevent injury to self or others is legal. Did he add a little extra sauce with a pull up? Slightly...maybe...but I'd err on the side of safety for the player. Leave this one alone...bound to be bigger fish to fry in the course of the game.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

The player doesn't need benefit of using the rim to stop if they don't unnecessarily grab it to start with. The body only goes that horizontal because of the grab. Without it, he'd have stayed upright.

There are far too many high speed and athletic dunks where the player doesn't find the need to swing around like it was a gymnastics meet that prove it is not necessary to do as was done in this dunk.

But, as I said earlier, I see this one at the 50/50 point. I could see it called or not.

The rim grab is to stop himself from going sideways onto the floor.

Whether the grab is needed or not is not for me to decide there. He's allowed to grab it and he's allowed to hold on to prevent injury.

I think some would call a T here, as well, partially because they're annoyed that the player passed it to a teammate off the board "unnecessarily." Those people need to go outside and yell at random passersby to get off their lawn.

[Lcubed48]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have made this statement before. Folks act as if your body will just magically stop going forward after running full speed just because the balls goes through the basket.

There is a big difference between dunking the ball off 2 feet, and dunking off 1 foot while going at a high speed.

Some refs are just looking for "got ya" violations.

If that's BNR throwing it down, then it's a T. If it's APG, it's a play on.

[Pantherdreams]

PLayer is allowed to dunk. Player is allowed to grab/hang on rim to protect themselves. In order for me to call the T I need to see more than that. As others have said this is clost but I don't definitively have anything on this that I can say is more then the player ensuring he lands safely.


Ya he could have not grabbed the rim at all and twisted or bent to avoid backboard but he didn't. He grabbed the rim which he's allowed to do. He's also allowed to maintain that grab until he can reasonably safely land. I'm giving him the benfit of the doubt on this one.

[La Rikardo]

This is why I'm not quick to call a technical foul for 10-3-3 (or NCAA 10-4.1f, as the case may be): http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/ut...arl-1680216852

[deecee]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

This is why I'm not quick to call a technical foul for 10-3-3 (or NCAA 10-4.1f, as the case may be): http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/ut...arl-1680216852

Like the announcer said, it's mostly self inflicted for lifting his legs up and trying to do what? I don't know. I wouldn't call a T on the OP either, but I also don't feel bad when someone gets a boo boo from doing something stupid.

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by deecee

Like the announcer said, it's mostly self inflicted for lifting his legs up and trying to do what? I don't know. I wouldn't call a T on the OP either, but I also don't feel bad when someone gets a boo boo from doing something stupid.

Perhaps he was unsure if there was a player beneath him and tried to lift his legs in order to avoid contacting anyone who might be beneath him. It's not our job to pass judgment by "feeling bad" (or not) about an injury, but with respect to whether or not a player's behavior following a dunk constitutes a foul, I will err on the side of not calling a foul if there is any doubt that the player's actions were not done in an effort to avoid injury.