Inbounds Violation (Video)

[ccrroo]

I'm looking for the high school rule that defines this violation.

White team scores.
Red teams is trying to inbound the ball.
Red team steps across the baseline but not in the act of passing.
Ref calls violation for stepping across baseline.

Even have video: http://youtu.be/GNAYuKt-wbY



I understand the call if this is a dead ball in-bounds play. I don't understand it on an in-bounds after a made bucket. After a made basketball, it seems like the in-bounding team could walk back forth across the baseline as many times as they want within their 5 second limit to inbound the ball. But when they do throw the ball in, they have to be behind the line.

On TV, I've seen guys start to throw the ball in while glancing down to see their foot on the line. They stop their progress of throwing the ball in and back up an start over.

[APG]

NFHS Rule 9-2

ART. 5

The thrower shall not carry the ball onto the court.

[ccrroo]

Thanks a lot!!

[Coach Bill]

If he just stepped on the line, but not over it, he would have been fine, right?

Originally Posted by Coach Bill

If he just stepped on the line, but not over it, he would have been fine, right?

Correct. The line is OOB and you are OOB until you are inbounds.

[crosscountry55]

I think it's fair to say that a lot of teams who want to inbound the ball quickly after a made basket....well, they push the envelope in terms of whether they get completely out of bounds or not. Sometimes in a flash they throw it in with one foot in the air while the other is just barely OOB and quickly pivoting. Heck, sometimes that foot never even quite gets OOB. I admit that if there's no pressure, I'm hard-pressed to make this call (game interrupter). If it's more blatant or, as in the video, there is pressure, different story.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by ccrroo

I understand the call if this is a dead ball in-bounds play.

What the heck is a "dead ball in-bounds play?" The ball is always live during a throw-in.

And, I do think there's some element of "ad/dis" during (many) violations.

A technical travel or "carry" / double dribble in the BC with no pressure, for example, might not get a call, but if the player does either of those in the FC to get by a defender, it's called much more tightly.

[crosscountry55]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

And, I do think there's some element of "ad/dis" during (many) violations.

A technical travel or "carry" / double dribble in the BC with no pressure, for example, might not get a call, but if the player does either of those in the FC to get by a defender, it's called much more tightly.

Amen.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jerkins

A technical travel or "carry" / double dribble in the BC with no pressure, for example, might not get a call ...

I've heard some discuss the "technical carry" (ball handler, all by himself, in the backcourt, looks at the coach for play and, distracted; inadvertently, and momentarily, carries the ball) as an advantage/disadvantage situation, but not the illegal "double" dribble. Probably because the illegal "double" dribble is so black, and white; while the carry requires a little bit more (gray) judgment.

[ccrroo]

[QUOTE=bob jenkins;950890]What the heck is a "dead ball in-bounds play?" The ball is always live during a throw-in.

Sorry about the poor terminology. I was just trying to distinguish between a TI after a made basket and all other TIs. Or if that terminology still isn't correct, a TI where the offense is allowed to roam the baseline and TI where the offense isn't.