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[mikaryan]

In our game last night one referee called a reaching foul on my player at mid-court which resulted in our 6th team foul. Before the opposing team
could inbound the ball at mid-court after the common foul, same referee called a technical foul on me. The opposing team was awarded 2 shots
for the technical. I assumed the opposing team would then take the ball out on the sideline.

However, and I'm guessing since I wasn't allowed to stand up and question, the referee in question then awarded a one and one to the opposing team's
player who was fouled at mid-court. After she shot the one and one, the opposing team was awarded possession on the sideline.

My question is how do you go back and penalize the 6th team foul with a one and one? The technical was a subsequent foul that had nothing to do with the common 6th foul. The opposing team was awarded 4 free throws and possession of the ball at a critical juncture of a close game.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mikaryan

In our game last night one referee called a reaching foul on my player at mid-court which resulted in our 6th team foul. Before the opposing team
could inbound the ball at mid-court after the common foul, same referee called a technical foul on me. The opposing team was awarded 2 shots
for the technical. I assumed the opposing team would then take the ball out on the sideline.

However, and I'm guessing since I wasn't allowed to stand up and question, the referee in question then awarded a one and one to the opposing team's
player who was fouled at mid-court. After she shot the one and one, the opposing team was awarded possession on the sideline.

My question is how do you go back and penalize the 6th team foul with a one and one? The technical was a subsequent foul that had nothing to do with the common 6th foul. The opposing team was awarded 4 free throws and possession of the ball at a critical juncture of a close game.

Assuming it played out as you indicate, the officials got it wrong.

It happens. It shouldn't, but it does. Are you sure they called a "reaching" foul?

[mikaryan]

Yes, common foul at mid court which put our team foul total to 6. Thanks for the reply.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by mikaryan

Yes, common foul at mid court which put our team foul total to 6. Thanks for the reply.

Sorry, I was being a bit antagonistic.
I haven't called a "reaching" foul in more than 10 years.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Adam

I haven't called a "reaching" foul in more than 10 years.

I haven't called one in thirty-four years. I had great teachers.

Reaching in is not a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in is, by itself, nothing. If illegal contact does occur, it’s probably a holding foul, an illegal use of hands foul, or a hand check foul. When a player, in order to stop the clock, does not make a legitimate play for the ball, holds, pushes, or grabs away from the ball, or uses undue roughness, the foul is an intentional foul.

Over the back is not a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called. A rebounding player, with an inside position, while boxing out, is not allowed to push back or displace an opponent, which is a pushing foul.

A moving screen is not in and of itself a foul, illegal contact must occur for a foul to be called. If a blind screen is set on a stationary defender, the defender must be given one normal step to change direction and attempt to avoid contact. If a screen is set on a moving defender, the defender gets a minimum of one step and a maximum of two steps, depending on the speed and distance of the defender.

It is legal use of hands to accidentally hit the hand of the opponent when it is in contact with the ball. This includes holding, dribbling, passing, or even during a shot attempt. Striking a ball handler or a shooter on that player's hand that is incidental to an attempt to play the ball is not a foul.

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"Over the back", reported by an official to the table on a rebounding foul, is, in reality, probably a pushing foul. Over the back is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. A taller player may often be able to get a rebound over a shorter player, even if the shorter player has good rebounding position. If the shorter player is displaced, then a pushing foul must be called, and this should be reported to the table as such.

"Reaching in", reported by an official to the table on a foul against a ball handler, is not necessarily a foul. There must be illegal contact to have a foul. The mere act of reaching in, is by itself, nothing. If illegal contact does occur, it’s probably a holding foul, an illegal use of hands foul, or a hand check foul, and these should be reported to the table as such.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by mikaryan

Yes, common foul at mid court which put our team foul total to 6. Thanks for the reply.

His point was that there is no such thing as a "reaching foul." A player who reaches in may be guilty of a foul for making contact with the opponent, but the reach itself is not a foul. If you had referees who were actually calling "reaching" a foul when they reported to the scorers table, you had official with littleor no training. If so, it is not surprising that they would botch the enforcement here.

[jTheUmp]

Originally Posted by so cal lurker

If you had referees who were actually calling "reaching" a foul when they reported to the scorers table, you had official with little or no training. If so, it is not surprising that they would botch the enforcement here.

Or you've got a partner who just doesn't care to use correct terminology.

I actually had, very recently, in a varsity game, a partner who told players to "quit reaching"... and he's definitely not 'untrained'.

What age/level was this game?

[mikaryan]

High School Varsity. The terminology is my mistake. My player reached in and tapped the ball away cleanly but he called a foul. Not sure what he identified it as.

[MechanicGuy]

Originally Posted by jTheUmp

Or you've got a partner who just doesn't care to use correct terminology.

I actually had, very recently, in a varsity game, a partner who told players to "quit reaching"... and he's definitely not 'untrained'.

What age/level was this game?

Using the term "reaching" when speaking to players in this manner is VERY different than reporting a foul as such.

[frezer11]

Originally Posted by mikaryan

In our game last night one referee called a reaching foul on my player at mid-court which resulted in our 6th team foul. Before the opposing team
could inbound the ball at mid-court after the common foul, same referee called a technical foul on me. The opposing team was awarded 2 shots
for the technical. I assumed the opposing team would then take the ball out on the sideline.

However, and I'm guessing since I wasn't allowed to stand up and question, the referee in question then awarded a one and one to the opposing team's
player who was fouled at mid-court. After she shot the one and one, the opposing team was awarded possession on the sideline.

My question is how do you go back and penalize the 6th team foul with a one and one? The technical was a subsequent foul that had nothing to do with the common 6th foul. The opposing team was awarded 4 free throws and possession of the ball at a critical juncture of a close game.

Originally Posted by Adam

Assuming it played out as you indicate, the officials got it wrong.

It happens. It shouldn't, but it does. Are you sure they called a "reaching" foul?

I agree with Adam, assuming it happened the way you described. Because this is an officiating forum, I try to give the benefit of the doubt to the official. You're absolutely certain that the 1st foul was the 6th and not 7th? Sometimes the scoreboard is a little behind, so they could have been right and looked bad if the scoreboard didn't reflect this. Although even in this case they needed to shoot the 1-1 first...

[mikaryan]

Absolutely positive on the foul situation.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mikaryan

However, and I'm guessing since I wasn't allowed to stand up and question,

It's a correctable error. You are allowed to stand to try to prevent / rectify that (you're supposed to ask the scorer to signal the referee and tehn have the discussion).

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's a correctable error. You are allowed to stand to try to prevent / rectify that (you're supposed to ask the scorer to signal the referee and tehn have the discussion).

This is the most important take away from this thread.

[mikaryan]

Thank you.