Running the end line

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

IAABO mechanics require us to tell, and signal, both when the player can, and can't, run the endline on all backcourt endline throwins.

I suggest that rookie officials be careful regarding exactly what they say:

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game

"Don't move”, said to an inbounding player, by an official, before a designated spot throw-in, is another statement that should probably go unsaid. According to the rules, that player can move laterally within a three foot wide area, can jump up, and can move as far back as time, and space, will allow. Better statement: “Designated spot”, while pointing to the spot.

"You can run", "Spot". Those 2 phrases clearly convey what the thrower-in can do, and neither has ever caused confusion in any game I've worked.

Question: Doesn't the book also say that you should notify the defense?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

"You can run", "Spot". Those 2 phrases clearly convey what the thrower-in can do, and neither has ever caused confusion in any game I've worked.

Question: Doesn't the book also say that you should notify the defense?

I tell the inbounder, and then give a signal for all to see (including the videotape)

[Eastshire]

"Just this spot" while pointing to the floor or "You have the whole end line" while gesturing back and forth along the end line.

I can't remember the last time I've had someone move from where they started either legally or illegally.

Even rarer is the OOB pass to another thrower. I've seen it maybe twice.

[Kansas Ref]

I have observed that the privilege of "running the endline" is grossly under-utilized by players. Players are so conditioned to the spot throw-in that they dare not venture to do otherwise for fear of causing a turnover.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I tell the inbounder, and then give a signal for all to see (including the videotape)

What? Do you mean to say that some of our games are videotaped?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

"You can run", "Spot". Those 2 phrases clearly convey what the thrower-in can do, and neither has ever caused confusion in any game I've worked.

Question: Doesn't the book also say that you should notify the defense?

I have never had a problem or confusion with saying "Don't move." If a player is too stupid to know what that means, then they have bigger problems. They realize there are only two options. Even if you say "Spot" that does not take away from the kind of crying that goes on for a travel if they move a foot one way or the other.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

"Don't move."

I agree that saying "Don't move" might not, and probably, will not, lead to any problems, but why say something that isn't true (it's positively, absolutely, not true), and perpetuates a myth?

[zm1283]

"On the spot", accompanied with the visual signal pointing to the floor.

"You can run", accompanied with the visual signal indicating so.

Never had a problem with either and don't think either is coaching or confusing.

[Rob1968]

"You're on a spot." - with appropriate point to the floor.

"You have the entire endline." - with approprate hand signal.

A few nights ago, the player's response, with a grin, "Thanks. I probably won't need it." (There was no defensive pressure.)

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Rob1968

"You're on a spot." - with appropriate point to the floor.

"You have the entire endline." - with approprate hand signal.

A few nights ago, the player's response, with a grin, "Thanks. I probably won't need it." (There was no defensive pressure.)

I usually say to a player, "You can run if you need to." And if it is clear there is no press or press coverage of any kind I sometimes add, "You may not need to." Usually gets a laugh or a smile.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I usually say to a player, "You can run if you need to." And if it is clear there is no press or press coverage of any kind I sometimes add, "You may not need to." Usually gets a laugh or a smile.

Peace

I say the same thing when there is no pressure.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I agree that saying "Don't move" might not, and probably, will not, lead to any problems, but why say something that isn't true (it's positively, absolutely, not true), and perpetuates a myth?

Not everything we say is literal. If that is the case, you should have a problem with anyone saying "running the end line" when no such language is used in the rulebook but very often used to describe the ability to "move" on the end line. I even had a problem years ago with a coach because he felt that it was my obligation to give his player the ball wherever he choose, not where I choose, which resulted in a T on the coach. But that is another story for another day. Never had a problem with saying "Don't move" when I rarely even say that in the first place.

And again, not sure what myth it perpetuates, because people think you travel on a throw-in. It is not assumed it is a travel because a player with the ball moves. It is thought to be a travel because they take steps with their feet. So I am not so sure what myth is perpetuated? They only want to know that they can or cannot run the end line. They do not understand the nuances of the rule to begin with.

Peace

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

... not sure what myth it perpetuates.

... That the inbounder can't move. Because he can, in a lot of different ways, and directions. Up (jump). Down (gravity after jumping). Left (to a degree). Right (to a degree). Forward (very limited). Backward (limited to time, and setting). Move both feet in place (the travel that isn't a travel). Etc. So why say that he can't move?

Why say something that is 100% wrong, dead wrong, when several other alternatives (see above posts, lots of posts, lots of alternatives) can be easily stated that are all 100% correct.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

... That the inbounder can't move. Because he can, in a lot of different ways, and directions. Up (jump). Down (gravity after jumping). Left (to a degree). Right (to a degree). Forward (very limited). Backward (limited to time, and setting). Move both feet in place (the travel that isn't a travel). Etc. So why say that he can't move?

Why say something that is 100% wrong, dead wrong, when several other alternatives (see above posts, lot of posts, lots of alternatives) can be easily stated that are 100% correct.

Because that is Rut and you can't him otherwise.