shot end?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

But again, I don't care what the rules say

And that right there is your problem.

You would rather listen to what a bunch of your playing buddies down at the rec center think instead of read the rule and case books and know what you are actually supposed to call.

That is ridiculous.

[just another ref]

One other thing: Contact which would be a foul on an airborne shooter, if it occurs after the landing, often is not a foul at all.

[mutantducky]

I've never said anything about being set to take a charge.

yes, I'm going to ignore the rule that says it is not not a shooting foul just because the offensive player's feet touched before the foul. That's often a shooting foul. As it is called. As it will continue to be. Rules are rules but a strict interpretation calls for absurd results or games being called with too many touch fouls, etc. Strict interpretation doesn't work and I doubt supervisors want to go by it either. Ref by the rules AND the skill level of the game.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

... too many touch fouls.

I bet that you just love the new Freedom of Movement rules.

[mutantducky]

I had two early games with evaluators, old-timers, not a young whipper-snapper like yourself. And another with a good varsity ref. In each I was told to lighten up on the fouls. yes, they were fouls by the rule but better to ref according to the competition and make sure games stay under control. If you ref too strictly the games will lack any flow or sense that the competition is between the players. I just don't believe in a literal interpretation of the rulebook in all situations.

if there is contact after the jump shot, maybe a light touch, or an incidental bump, sure that may not be a foul. But sometimes there will be and if I see it impacting the landing/follow through then that likely will be a shooting foul.