The Most Misunderstood Basketball Rules, 2014 Version ...

[mutantducky]

Thanks. Always enjoy reading it over. Especially the fumble situation. I see that miscalled along with the high dribble quite a lot.

I've had one play off a rebound, when the offensive player did a controlled tip to a teammate in the frontcourt and the ball fumbled off him into the backcourt. Legally able to get the ball despite the coach asking for a violation(can't say I blame him because that tip rule can be tricky)

high dribble does not necessarily mean a carrying violation. Shot clock does not restart when offense retains on a held possession.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

controlled tip

WTF is that?

[SAK]

It should be a requirement to enter the gym that parents and other fans read and pass a quiz on the material here. It would make our games so much easier.

[mutantducky]

Off a rebound, a player who tips the ball intentionally. I know according to NFHS there is no such thing as a controlled tip but obviously players can control a tip and make it like a pass off a rebound.

Questions and I know this would be super unusual. Offensive player shoots an airball, teammate bats the ball(what I would call a controlled tip into the backcourt and teammate gets ball.
AND- Player tries to throw the ball off the backboard his team is shooting at, so a pass to himself but it gets knocked around and the same team touches the ball in the frontcourt and then in the backcourt.

Would either of these plays be a violation? Or does a shot, even if an airball, or a pass to oneself off the backboard, count as a shot, meaning there would be no backcourt violation.

[justacoach]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

Off a rebound, a player who tips the ball intentionally. I know according to NFHS there is no such thing as a controlled tip but obviously players can control a tip and make it like a pass off a rebound.

Questions and I know this would be super unusual. Offensive player shoots an airball, teammate bats the ball(what I would call a controlled tip into the backcourt and teammate gets ball.
AND- Player tries to throw the ball off the backboard his team is shooting at, so a pass to himself but it gets knocked around and the same team touches the ball in the frontcourt and then in the backcourt.

Would either of these plays be a violation? Or does a shot, even if an airball, or a pass to oneself off the backboard, count as a shot, meaning there would be no backcourt violation.

Do you know the most basic definition of 'player control', which is central to all your questions?

[JetMetFan]

So...while watching a replay on ESPN360 I saw another myth come to life - one that exists among some officials.



The R is pointing at the player in purple (arrow). You know what he's telling her? That she can't stand behind White #32 during the jump ball.

(Sigh)

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JetMetFan

The R is pointing at the player in purple (arrow). You know what he's telling her? That she can't stand behind White #32 during the jump ball.

Things Officials Should Probably Not Be Saying In A Game
BillyMac
International Association of Approved Basketball Officials

Calvin Coolidge once said, "The things I did not say never hurt me." Of course, he was not talking about basketball, but many officials would be smart to heed his sage advice as they communicate with coaches, and players.

Good communication skills are important tools to have on any official’s tool belt. Good communication with a partner, with a player, or with a coach, can go a long way to maintaining control of the game, having good game management, and having a smooth game. Sometimes this communication takes place in oral form, talking to players, or coaches, in some cases to explain a ruling, or in other cases to prevent a violation, or a foul. However, probably for reasons of tradition, there have been things that officials often, or sometimes, say during a game that do not have any basis in the rules, and should probably not be said in a game. This article will cover some of those “best left unsaid” statements.

"Hold your spots", said by the referee, or tosser, before the jump ball, is only rule based for some of the players. One exception to this rule, and there are others, is that players on the jump ball circle can move off the jump ball circle at any time: before the toss, during the toss, or after the toss.

"You can't stand behind him”, stated by the referee, or the umpire, before a jump ball, to a player who is directly behind an opponent, both whom are ten feet off the jump ball circle, is not rule based. The rule that players can’t stand behind, within three feet, of an opponent, only applies to players on, and within three feet of, the jump ball circle. Players farther back than that can stand wherever they want, as long as they get to that spot first.

Finally, a thought by Will Rogers, “Never miss a good chance to shut up.”

3/8/14

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by mutantducky

I know according to NFHS there is no such thing as a controlled tip

then please don't use the term. It's an oxymoron, so there's no way to answer the question.

If there's control, it's a violation. If it's a bat (which I assume you mean by tip), then it's not a violation.

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