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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 09:37am
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Double Dribble or Not?

I had a scenario in my game where my partner called a 'double dribble' and we spoke about it after the game and I am inclined to say that the play was 'good'?

Looking for some commentary....

Scenario: A1 is dribbling up the court on a 'fast break' and the ball momentarily is bounced off of one of his teammates legs - A2 as he's dribbling and rolls forward. A1 then picks up the ball and starts a new dribble. Did the contact w/A2 constitute a 'loss of possession' or simply an interrupted dribble - no player control.

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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:20am
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What are the instances that cause a dribble to end?
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:38am
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What are the instances that cause a dribble to end?
Rule 14-5-4 Art 4 Letter (d):

Dribble ends when '..the ball touches or is touched by an 'opponent' and causes the dribbler to lose control....'

If that is the case if the ball touching a teammate would not qualify as 'ending' the dribble, then the situation would be considered a 'double-dribble' ?
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 10:49am
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Rule 14-5-4 Art 4 Letter (d):

Dribble ends when '..the ball touches or is touched by an 'opponent' and causes the dribbler to lose control....'

If that is the case if the ball touching a teammate would not qualify as 'ending' the dribble, then the situation would be considered a 'double-dribble' ?
That's mostly correct. The only thing wrong is that you need to change that last question mark to a period (and buy your partner a beer).

(When the ball acidentally bounces off a teammate, it's the same as an interrupted dribble. If the ball is then controlled in two hands, that ends the dribble.)

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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:05am
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That's mostly correct. The only thing wrong is that you need to change that last question mark to a period (and buy your partner a beer).

(When the ball acidentally bounces off a teammate, it's the same as an interrupted dribble. If the ball is then controlled in two hands, that ends the dribble.)
Thanks much ! Totally makes sense....

Yes, next time I see my partner, I do owe him a beer !

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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:05am
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Rule 14-5-4 Art 4 Letter (d):

Dribble ends when '..the ball touches or is touched by an 'opponent' and causes the dribbler to lose control....'

If that is the case if the ball touching a teammate would not qualify as 'ending' the dribble, then the situation would be considered a 'double-dribble' ?
The Rule citation you meant to give is 4-15-4 d.
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:10am
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but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty

who would figure
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Why was I thinking an interrupted dribble that touched a teammate ended the dribble?
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 11:32am
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Why was I thinking an interrupted dribble that touched a teammate ended the dribble?
I'm with you - I thought anytime the ball touches another player , not just an opponent, you can dribble again. This is how we learn...
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but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty

who would figure
The distinction is not intentional or not, but whether the initial dibble ended or not . . .
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but you can INTENTIONALLY throw it off your teammate .. catch it .. and dribble without penalty

who would figure
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The distinction is not intentional or not, but whether the initial dibble ended or not . . .
What makes the above legal is 9-5-3 after a dribble has ended.
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9-5 Illegal Dribble ...

A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation, also open to constructive criticism.
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:18pm
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A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control
because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation.
I think you're misreading this section and the timing matters. During the lost control dribble that touches a teammate, the dribble has not ended per rule it only ends but ends when the errant dribbler picked up the ball. So once the dribbler picked up the ball, she chould only dibble again if she then had a pass or fumble touch a teammate.
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 06:51pm
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I think you're misreading this section and the timing matters. During the lost control dribble that touches a teammate, the dribble has not ended per rule it only ends but ends when the errant dribbler picked up the ball. So once the dribbler picked up the ball, she chould only dibble again if she then had a pass or fumble touch a teammate.
Thanks, but I don't think so, so I'd like to hear from others. No offense.
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Old Thu Dec 18, 2014, 07:53pm
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A player shall not dribble a second time after his/her first dribble has ended,
unless it is after he/she has lost control because of:
ART. 1 A try for field goal.
ART. 2 A touch by an opponent.
ART. 3 A pass or fumble which has then touched, or been touched by,
another player.

"Another player" can be a teammate, or an opponent.

Is dribbling the ball off a teammate's foot a pass, or a fumble?

I think so, but I'm open to constructive criticism.

No violation, also open to constructive criticism.
No, Billy. A dribble deflecting off a teammate is not a pass or fumble.
The OP is a violation.
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