End of Game Situation Quiz

[crosscountry55]

Two-person Crew

Situation: Team A trails 51-53 with 6.5 seconds left in the fourth quarter. Team A advances the ball and A1 gets off a 3-pointer from the corner with approximately 2.5 seconds left. It is unsuccessful, but A2 gets a rebound underneath and sends up a put-back just as time expires. In the T's judgment A2 released the ball before time expired, but observing the shot is unsuccessful, he blows his whistle and moves toward the play to waive off any further action. The clock shows 0.0 and the horn has sounded.

As T moves toward the play, he observes the L with a closed fist indicating a foul on the put-back shot.

What are the possible outcomes here?

[bob jenkins]

1) Foul occurred before time expired or on an airborne shooter: A2 shoots 2 shots, with no one on the line (if the first FT is unsuccessful, the game is over)

2) Foul occurred after the ball became dead: Ignore unless F or I.

(Assuming FED rules, then you can't (well, shouldn't) say that any time after the foul and before the buzzer was a timer's mistake, and you shouldn't put time back on the clock. IAABO might have a different answer. )

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

1) Foul occurred before time expired or on an airborne shooter: A2 shoots 2 shots, with no one on the line (if the first FT is unsuccessful, the game is over)

2) Foul occurred after the ball became dead: Ignore unless F or I.

(Assuming FED rules, then you can't (well, shouldn't) say that any time after the foul and before the buzzer was a timer's mistake, and you shouldn't put time back on the clock. IAABO might have a different answer. )

IAABO does not write the Rules. Follow NFHS Rules determine what to do.

MTD, Sr.

[crosscountry55]

Nice! Referring to Bob's post, #1 is exactly what we had.

So...we invoked Rule 5-6-2 Exception 3 as well as Case Play 5.6.2 Situation E.

Funny thing was, I had several critiques that stated there could not be a foul in that situation without time on the clock; they thought I should have put some time back on the clock. I was the T, and had I had definite knowledge by glancing at the clock that the timer was clearly too slow in stopping the clock, I could put that time back on. But this was bang-bang and I was watching the release of the ball while listening for the horn; the timer simply couldn't react quickly enough.

If this were NCAA without monitor, same rules apply. With monitor, we can look for the exact time of the foul and put that time back on, or, if it was after 0.0 and the ball had not yet been released, game over.

By the way, for what it's worth, A2 missed the first free throw with the lane cleared. Game over.

[so cal lurker]

Originally Posted by crosscountry55

Funny thing was, I had several critiques that stated there could not be a foul in that situation without time on the clock; they thought I should have put some time back on the clock.

. . . that's what happens when folks"learn" the rules from watching TV . . .

[La Rikardo]

Even if A2 was fouled after the buzzer, you could still have a shooting foul if A2 was an airborne shooter. Pretty sure this is also the case in NCAA, perhaps the only case where, with the benefit of checking time on a monitor, you'd be shooting free throws for a personal foul with no time left in the second half.