Selling a block/charge no-call

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

If it is an obvious call, just call the obvious. It sounds like (without seeing the play) like an easy PC foul. You would have at least shown you were calling the game until the end. No reason IMO to not just call a foul here if it clearly was a foul to everyone. Making other signals just makes it seem like you just do not want to call something most of the time.

I think we get in more trouble by not calling fouls than when we actually call fouls.

Peace

Like I said, the contact wasn't really that hard. I think it just looked bad because B1 fell awkwardly and hit the floor hard. In a close game like this I wanted to give A the benefit of the doubt, and with that in mind this just felt like a no-call. I'm just wondering if there's anything I can do differently in the future to let everyone know that I clearly saw the contact and decided not to call a foul rather than not blowing my whistle because I was unsure.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Like I said, the contact wasn't really that hard. I think it just looked bad because B1 fell awkwardly and hit the floor hard. In a close game like this I wanted to give A the benefit of the doubt, and with that in mind this just felt like a no-call. I'm just wondering if there's anything I can do differently in the future to let everyone know that I clearly saw the contact and decided not to call a foul rather than not blowing my whistle because I was unsure.

The contact does not have to be hard. But if the players were displaced, then call a foul. It will make your life so much easier even if they disagree with the call. At least you called something. And that is what you could have done differently without seeing a video. Not sure what you can do, because any signal is not going to make everyone happy. You call will make them happy or at least show you care in a kind of a game that is out of hand.

You never make everyone happy with no-calls anyway.

Peace

[RedKillian]

I have seen officials use a one hand palm upward motion to indicate a flop by the defense. In my mind it's a get your butt up off the floor - you ain't getting a PC call on that acting job signal. Personally, I do not use this unapproved signal and never will, it's way to showboatish for me.

There is no approved NFHS signal for a non-call in this situation. No whistle = no call.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RedKillian

I have seen officials use a one hand palm upward motion to indicate a flop by the defense.

Do they follow it up with a technical foul signal?

10-3-6-F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled

[Pantherdreams]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Do they follow it up with a technical foul signal?

10-3-6-F: A player shall not: Commit an unsporting foul. This includes, but is not limited to, acts or conduct such as: Faking being fouled

To the OP:

The defense was in LGP. Offense intitiated contact. Defense was displaced/disadvantaged . . . whatever you want to call it. Unless you though the defender was falling hard on their own not because of the contact just call the PC.

To the quoted section above:

I feel like we've had this conversation before but falling (in my mind) does not equate to faking being fouled. Assuming there was contact. How the defense chooses to protect themselves or deal with that contact is on the defense. Even if a kid falls before contact they are allowed to back up and protect themselves in the case of contact. If them falling or stepping back causes them to avoid the contact all together they've protected themsevles but I can't call a PC because no contact occured.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Pantherdreams

... falling does not equate to faking being fouled.

Falling does not, but flopping does.

Originally Posted by RedKillian

... a flop by the defense.

RedKillian's words, not mine.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Falling does not, but flopping does.



RedKillian's words, not mine.

Flopping is also exaggerating the effect of the contact, which I'm not T'ing.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Flopping is also exaggerating the effect of the contact, which I'm not T'ing.

I've never called a technical foul for a flop, but I have to ask, just what exactly would you "T" for under this rule?" For what other reason would a player exaggerate the effect of contact, other than faking being fouled?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

Like I said, the contact wasn't really that hard. I think it just looked bad because B1 fell awkwardly and hit the floor hard. In a close game like this I wanted to give A the benefit of the doubt, and with that in mind this just felt like a no-call. I'm just wondering if there's anything I can do differently in the future to let everyone know that I clearly saw the contact and decided not to call a foul rather than not blowing my whistle because I was unsure.

If you determined that the defender obtained ILGP and the offensive player initiated contact which displaced the defender, then you should have whistled a PC foul.

This may seem harsh, but I know that you can handle it. The rest of your comments are nothing more than an attempt to rationalize your not making this call. Not really that hard, fell awkwardly, give the player the benefit of the doubt, the game was close, last few seconds remaining, blah, blah, blah. Next time just blow the whistle.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

B1 obtains LGP in front of the basket before A1 goes in for the layup. A1 moves to avoid B1, but still makes some contact and B1 falls hard and awkwardly to the floor.

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

If you determined that the defender obtained ILGP and the offensive player initiated contact which displaced the defender, then you should have whistled a PC foul ... Next time just blow the whistle.

Train wrecks require a whistle.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

In a close game like this I wanted to give A the benefit of the doubt,

It seems to me that in a close game you wouldn't want to give either team the benefit of the doubt. In a blowout, you *might* give the losing team the benefit of the doubt.

[Adam]

If A1's contact is what knocked B1 to the floor, you need to call the foul regardless of how hard the contact was.

[rockyroad]

How exactly would one "sell" any kind of no-call?? Selling a call means to be overly demonstrative with the signal, and/or to be really loud...how can we sell something we don't even call?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by La Rikardo

In a close game like this I wanted to give A the benefit of the doubt, and with that in mind this just felt like a no-call.

Would you have called a charge in the first half?

[La Rikardo]

Originally Posted by bainsey

Would you have called a charge in the first half?

Probably not, honestly.

Maybe my description of the play to emphasized the lack of fault on the part of B1 more than I should have...replaying the play in my mind, I still feel like the no-call was correct here. I'd love to be able to see it again, but I don't have video of the game.

Then again, in hindsight, I also probably could've saved myself a headache by calling PC. I guess all of this comes with experience.