Wofford/NC State–Gottfried technical foul (Video)

[bballref3966]

Karl Hess called a technical on NC State coach Mark Gottfried at 15:58 in the first half against Wofford yesterday, 12/14.

First NCSU game Hess has called since the Gugliotta/Corchiani incident nearly three years ago.

The game was on Fox Sports South, RSN, and WatchESPN I believe.

[jeschmit]

[JRutledge]

Sounds like he said some magic words. And he messed with the wrong guy. Hess is not that guy to mess with. He will stick you and move on very quickly.

Coaches need to understand that we really do not care about them. It is not in our job description to care what they ultimately want to accomplish. Hess will be onto the next game and Gottfried will not even make the tournament. If they thought it was a foul, they would have called it.

Peace

[APG]

Not a fan of the actually timing in calling the T...calling the T when he did took away an open 3. I think you need a more patient whistle here.

I would have waited until the shot and subsequent action from it was finished...then whacked the coach.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by APG

Not a fan of the actually timing in calling the T...calling the T when he did took away an open 3. I think you need a more patient whistle here.

I would have waited until the shot and subsequent action from it was finished...then whacked the coach.

Honestly, I do not think he cared. He got tired of his mess and took action. I agree in normal circumstances we should wait, but he had enough.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, I do not think he cared. He got tired of his mess and took action. I agree in normal circumstances we should wait, but he had enough.

Peace

I think we've all been there...someone...a player or coach says or does something so ridiculous and outlandish, or has just gotten to the point where you've had enough, that we just go ahead and WHACK 'em. I've seen it at all levels...NBA, NCAA, and high school.

I would hope though that after video review, that's the conclusion he'd come to was to wait the extra couple of seconds...then whack the coach.

As to the actual T, he probably said some magic words...and he was overly demonstrative by smacking down on his arm to indicate his displeasure with the coach. I don't see anything wrong with the actual T itself.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by APG

Not a fan of the actually timing in calling the T...calling the T when he did took away an open 3. I think you need a more patient whistle here.

I would have waited until the shot and subsequent action from it was finished...then whacked the coach.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Honestly, I do not think he cared. He got tired of his mess and took action. I agree in normal circumstances we should wait, but he had enough.

Peace

While I agree in principle about maybe waiting just a second or too longer, I think Gottfried said something before the Wofford player started to pass the ball which means Hess put air in his whistle before the second Wofford player started to shoot.

MTD, Sr.

[SC Official]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Coaches need to understand that we really do not care about them. It is not in our job description to care what they ultimately want to accomplish. Hess will be onto the next game and Gottfried will not even make the tournament. If they thought it was a foul, they would have called it.

Peace

And according to NCSU fans, it will be Hess's fault when they do not make the tournament.

NCSU also had a game-winning three-point shot at the end that was correctly waved off by Hess, much to the fans' displeasure. I read an article (can't seem to find it at the moment) that said a water bottle was thrown in Hess's direction as he left the floor after the game.

State fans have blamed Hess for everything since the 2012 incident. I am surprised to hear that he had not called a single State game since that incident until yesterday.

In other news, I thought it was cool that this game was at Reynolds rather than PNC.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by bballref3966

Karl Hess called a technical on NC State coach Mark Gottfried at 15:58 in the first half against Wofford yesterday, 12/14.

First NCSU game Hess has called since the Gugliotta/Corchiani incident nearly three years ago.

The game was on Fox Sports South, RSN, and WatchESPN I believe.

Is there a question here?

[acgod24]

Curious to see what everyone thought of the aftermath. He stuck with the T then during the timeout comes all the way out to the opposite side of the floor still "jawing" at Hess. I thought the other 2 officials did a good job of getting in front of him just wondering how some officials would handle this in an NFHS game

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by acgod24

Curious to see what everyone thought of the aftermath. He stuck with the T then during the timeout comes all the way out to the opposite side of the floor still "jawing" at Hess. I thought the other 2 officials did a good job of getting in front of him just wondering how some officials would handle this in an NFHS game

In a HS game, coach doesn't get past the outer boundary of his huddle before I'm walking him back.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Somebody point me back toward where in a book (I'd love an NCAA-W book(s) reference, but anything will do) to where the case plays for "the official shall wait until the layup is successful/unsuccessful to assess the technical foul, yadayada" is supported by a rule reference that contradicts:

"Art. 2. A live ball shall not become dead when a foul is committed by an opponent of a player who starts a try for goal before a foul occurs, provided that time does not expire before the ball is in flight."

Haven't thought about that in a couple of years, can't find things, and want to know where that lives, so that I can explain how the cited rule doesn't for some reason include the HC as an "opponent."

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Somebody point me back toward where in a book (I'd love an NCAA-W book(s) reference, but anything will do) to where the case plays for "the official shall wait until the layup is successful/unsuccessful to assess the technical foul, yadayada" is supported by a rule reference that contradicts:

"Art. 2. A live ball shall not become dead when a foul is committed by an opponent of a player who starts a try for goal before a foul occurs, provided that time does not expire before the ball is in flight."

Haven't thought about that in a couple of years, can't find things, and want to know where that lives, so that I can explain how the cited rule doesn't for some reason include the HC as an "opponent."

Closest thing in the current books is this, though it is a bit of a stretch...fairly sure there used to be a case that involved an unsporting T on the HC,

Rule: 9.3.3


9.3.3 SITUATION D:

The score is tied 60 to 60 with four seconds remaining in the game. A1 has a fast break and is near the free-throw line on his/her way to an uncontested lay-up. B5 running down the court near the sideline, intentionally runs out of bounds in the hopes of getting a leaving-the-floor violation called.

RULING: B5's intentional violation should be ignored and A1's activity should continue without interruption.

COMMENT: Non-contact, away from the ball, illegal defensive violations (i.e. excessively swinging the elbows, leaving the floor for an unauthorized reason) specifically designed to stop the clock near the end of a period or take away a clear advantageous position by the offense should be temporarily ignored. The defensive team should not benefit from the tactic. If time is not a factor, the defense should be penalized with the violation or a technical foul for unsporting behavior. (10-1-8)

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Somebody point me back toward where in a book (I'd love an NCAA-W book(s) reference, but anything will do) to where the case plays for "the official shall wait until the layup is successful/unsuccessful to assess the technical foul, yadayada" is supported by a rule reference that contradicts:

"Art. 2. A live ball shall not become dead when a foul is committed by an opponent of a player who starts a try for goal before a foul occurs, provided that time does not expire before the ball is in flight."

Haven't thought about that in a couple of years, can't find things, and want to know where that lives, so that I can explain how the cited rule doesn't for some reason include the HC as an "opponent."

Found it.

Case 10.4.1 F

Originally Posted by Rule Book

A1 is driving toward the basket for an apparent goal when the official, while trailing the play advancing in the direction in which the ball is being advanced, is cursed by the head coach or bench personnel of Team B. How should the official handle the situation? RULING: The official shall withhold blowing the whistle until A1 has either made or missed the shot. The official shall then sound the whistle and assess ...a technical foul....

[IUgrad92]

As it is being determined that it would be in the best interest for police officers to wear body cams for sake of recording incidents and transparency, I would like to see microphone/recorders inserted into the precision timing devices that the officials wear. Record everything.....

Gottfried says he didn't use profanity prior to the T, everyone here is assuming that he must have used some magic words. Who's ever going to really know what happened and what was said?

Having recordings that conference assignors and university administration can go back, listen to and review could allow them to target and clean-up whichever side of the aisle needs it.