Fumble or shot attempt? (Video)

[jeremy341a]

Tough play. I think it's a fumble and I would allow the player to re-gather the ball. No foul for me as the ball is still going up when contact occurs.

[BigCat]

Ball slips out of hands before any contact. Fumble. He can recover it. Can he start a dribble?

If you would call this a try he could recover and dribble for sure.

[twocentsworth]

it WOULD have been a travel IF he re-gained possession of the ball…he never did - there is no foul on the defender. The official called a travel prematurely…probably because it "looked funny" - which a lot of officials do….

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

it WOULD have been a travel IF he re-gained possession of the ball…he never did - there is no foul on the defender. The official called a travel prematurely…probably because it "looked funny" - which a lot of officials do….

A player can always recover a fumble. Even when loses control going up for shot. In this case had he come down with the ball he would have been able to start a dribble since he had not done so before. Exact play is in ncaa case book. Rules are same nfhs. My two cents

AR 74--ncaa

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

it WOULD have been a travel IF he re-gained possession of the ball…he never did - there is no foul on the defender. The official called a travel prematurely…probably because it "looked funny" - which a lot of officials do….

Looks like the official was signalling double dribble.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by twocentsworth

it WOULD have been a travel IF he re-gained possession of the ball…he never did - there is no foul on the defender. The official called a travel prematurely…probably because it "looked funny" - which a lot of officials do….

Why?

[Raymond]

Regardless of what you call it, neither is a violation.

[JRutledge]

I got a fumble, not a shot attempt. He is losing it on the way up before any contact. And I would be inclined to call nothing in the scramble for the ball. But I can see a foul being called, I just probably would let the play continue.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I got a fumble, not a shot attempt. He is losing it on the way up before any contact. And I would be inclined to call nothing in the scramble for the ball. But I can see a foul being called, I just probably would let the play continue.

Peace

Agree...nothing there.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

A player can always recover a fumble. Even when loses control going up for shot. In this case had he come down with the ball he would have been able to start a dribble since he had not done so before. Exact play is in ncaa case book. Rules are same nfhs. My two cents

AR 74--ncaa

You are correct for NCAA, but wrong for NFHS. The NFHS ruling is in the "past interps" thread on this forum.


SUPPLEMENT #1 (11/9/00)
SITUATION 1: A1 is an airborne shooter preparing to release the ball on a shot attempt. Instead of releasing the ball on the try, A1 fumbles the ball (while still in the air) and drops it. A1 then returns to the floor and secures possession of the ball. RULING: Traveling violation. While airborne the bail must be released for a try or pass. (4-43-3a; 9-4)

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

You are correct for NCAA, but wrong for NFHS. The NFHS ruling is in the "past interps" thread on this forum.

Which part are you saying is wrong and do you have any idea what year of those you are talking about? You can always recover a fumble so I'd like to see the wording of the play. Thx

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BigCat

Which part are you saying is wrong and do you have any idea what year of those you are talking about? You can always recover a fumble so I'd like to see the wording of the play. Thx

Just posted it for you.

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Just posted it for you.

Thx. I guess what I believe is that this old play from the interps deals with situation where I fumble going up, regain control while in the air, intentionally drop it and then grab it on ground. When I am the first to touch it on the ground it is said that the act of dropping it was a start of dribble. Started dribble without pivot foot on floor. Travel. The explanation in your play says that while airborne, player has to release it on a try or pass. He has to have control for that which is why I believe when they add the term "drop" to your play they consider that regaining control. If you look at other plays in rule,4 you will see they also use term "drop" to mean an intentional act as opposed to a fumble.

Also, the travel rules for NFHS are understood to be same as ncaa. I believe when you fumble the ball you can recover it always. What you can do after you recover it depends...let me know what u think. Thx

Why do old interpretations matter? I can't point to them in the rule/case book, so why should I be explaining to a coach that according to some interp from x years ago his team running around the opponents side of the court during warmups is a technical foul?? Can someone explain why I should care/know about old interps?