Why isn't throw in spot after a "T" POI...?

[Welpe]

This goes back to simplification of enforcement which is something that the Fed tries to take into consideration. It's much easier to say that all technical fouls result in two shots and a throw in for the offended team at half court. Otherwise you will have multiple throw in spots such as what NCAA has. That's not something Fed wants and would prefer a uniform approach, even if sometimes it is at the cost of "fairness."

[Treeguy]

One reason is I won't remember where the throw in spot is. I am lucky if I can remember a number from the spot of the foul and reporting it to the table.

But what happens if the losing team gets the ball under the opponents basket and is foul then a T. They would get a huge advantage throwing in at half court whether they make free throws or not.

[Dixon21]

Originally Posted by Welpe

This goes back to simplification of enforcement which is something that the Fed tries to take into consideration. It's much easier to say that all technical fouls result in two shots and a throw in for the offended team at half court. Otherwise you will have multiple throw in spots such as what NCAA has. That's not something Fed wants and would prefer a uniform approach, even if sometimes it is at the cost of "fairness."

not buying the "simplification of enforcement" arguement.....it would actually make it simpler to get rid of the half court option.....and it would make it less confusing....the throw in spots would be uniform (meaning where they would have normally been)....moving to half court actually adds to the number of potential throw in spots instead of getting rid of some....

and I would think....getting as close as we possibly can to fairness with all of our rules and administrating procedures would be something the federation would be all about.....

[Dixon21]

what most don't understand is that the score, time, making or missing the free throws, etc....doesn't matter

and I am all for keeping the spot the same, no matter who the T is on so that you take "gaining an additional advantage or disadvantage" of moving the ball to half court out of the equation.....

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dixon21

what most don't understand is that the score, time, making or missing the free throws, etc....doesn't matter

and I am all for keeping the spot the same, no matter who the T is on so that you take "gaining an additional advantage or disadvantage" of moving the ball to half court out of the equation.....

So what do you want from us?

The NFHS has determined that the advantages of shooting 2 free throws outweigh the possible disadvantage of moving the throw-in spot.

And remember, rules come from what coaches want seen, so you should also post this question on a basketball coach's forum.

[Dixon21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So what do you want from us?

The NFHS has determined that the advantages of shooting 2 free throws outweigh the possible disadvantage of moving the throw-in spot.

And remember, rules come from what coaches want seen, so you should also post this question on a basketball coach's forum.

give them the two free throws....and the ball....no problem....thats the award for the penalty.....just don't move the throw in spot.....

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Dixon21

give them the two free throws....and the ball....no problem....thats the award for the penalty.....just don't move the throw in spot.....

So again, what you want FROM US?

Do you think we write the rules or something?

Aren't you an official? What are you going to do about fixing this?

[Dixon21]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So again, what you want FROM US?

Do you think we write the rules or something?

Aren't you an official? What are you going to do about fixing this?

I never asked you to do anything....this is an officiating forum where I thought we could discuss things like this and seek out opinions from other officials and have some discussions.....

quite honestly I am surprised by the "thats just the way it is, it all comes out in the wash, make your free throws" points of view.....

I would have thought there would have been more "you know it doesn't make a lot of sense" views in here.....but I guess I was wrong

I just think it should stop at two shots and the ball.....and leave it at that....take the "ball at halfcourt" part out....

and to answer your last question, I have submitted this question to our local state rules interpreter and asked that it be passed on to NFHS and also to Peter Webb and the powers that be at IAABO as it appears according to the NFHS website that is how we are supposed to inquire....

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Dixon21

not buying the "simplification of enforcement" arguement.....

That's your prerogative but that's one of the reasons as to why. Despite what you think, it is far simpler to say that a technical foul will result in two shots and the ball at the division line. The Fed has always put a premium on simplicity in enforcement and that's in all of their sports, not just basketball.

and I would think....getting as close as we possibly can to fairness with all of our rules and administrating procedures would be something the federation would be all about.....

The problem is that the definition of fairness is rather subjective. I personally see nothing unfair with a uniform enforcement like they have now. That is fair in that it is a rule that applies to both teams.

[Dixon21]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That's your prerogative but that's one of the reasons as to why. Despite what you think, it is far simpler to say that a technical foul will result in two shots and the ball at the division line. The Fed has always put a premium on simplicity in enforcement and that's in all of their sports, not just basketball.



The problem is that the definition of fairness is rather subjective. I personally see nothing unfair with a uniform enforcement like they have now. That is fair in that it is a rule that applies to both teams.

well all I can tell you was one of the coaches was really happy to see the ball get moved to half court and the other one wasn't.....I'll let you figure out which one was which.....

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by Dixon21

well all I can tell you was one of the coaches was really happy to see the ball get moved to half court and the other one wasn't.....I'll let you figure out which one was which.....

I'm guessing you were the one that wasn't?

[BigCat]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm guessing you were the one that wasn't?

that was funny

[Dixon21]

Originally Posted by Welpe

I'm guessing you were the one that wasn't?

nope I was the official working the game....and who answered inquiries afterwards about the reasoning behind "that part" of the rule.....

and the reason I came in here to ask the question.....because I didn't (and I still don't) have a good answer as to why we have to move the ball to half court after a technical....other than, thats just the way it is....

this situation got me to thinking how stupid it is that we automatically, no matter what, move it to half court.....thats what causes the problem...

if we just leave it where it was going to be thrown in, we don't have to answer these questions......

two shots and the ball....leave it at that

[Welpe]

So where would you have the ball thrown in on a technical against the head coach?

What you seem to be disappointed with is that nobody so far shares your view that this is a problem.

My explanation is always "That's the rule coach."

[Dixon21]

Originally Posted by Welpe

That's your prerogative but that's one of the reasons as to why. Despite what you think, it is far simpler to say that a technical foul will result in two shots and the ball at the division line. The Fed has always put a premium on simplicity in enforcement and that's in all of their sports, not just basketball.



The problem is that the definition of fairness is rather subjective. I personally see nothing unfair with a uniform enforcement like they have now. That is fair in that it is a rule that applies to both teams.

the enforcement (two shots and the ball) is the same as an intentional foul....but the throw in spot is different....it actually adds another throw in spot to the equation making it less simple......

if we are going by this simplicity of enforcement that you speak of from a procedural standpoint....we should throw in intentional fouls from half court too.....